The Oaks Show and SGC Grading

danmckee · #1 11-16-2011, 10:10 AM

Holy BeJesus! I think I am bleeding. Check the corner of my mouth. A feeding frenzy way cool! I am glad I was able to bring so many people closer together at my expense. See, and you didn't think I had an objective. Any publicity is good publicity?

In closing, I would like to say that several years ago, I found an original T206 find down in the Fells Point area of Baltimore. Loaded with South League players and most of the cards were in great shape!

I sent 600+ cards to SGC and Scott graded most I believe. I didn't have a complaint about a single card. Scott even said to me "WOW" all of those cards and not a complaint. I felt they were graded perfectly and I still have about a dozen of them. 5s 6s and 7s I believe.

Anyway, I actually felt a couple were over graded by 1 grade. The green Cobb was holdered a 5 and I thought it was a 4.

So maybe standards have changed, grades are much tougher, who knows.

I am glad most of you enjoyed a healthy chat.

Jay Miller! Thanks for asking about pops. We had a 90th birthday party for him 2 weeks ago though he actually hits 90 on the 22nd of this month. He was very happy to hear that you asked about him.

Hopefully I will start posting the Old Judges next week.

Dan

Runscott · #2 11-16-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by danmckee

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I sent 600+ cards...I didn't have a complaint about a single card.
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perhaps there's a relationship

oldjudge · #3 11-16-2011, 11:04 AM

Dan-90 years old-God bless him. Send me an email at jay.l.miller@jpmorgan.com ,if you could, with his address as I'd love to send him a card.

wonkaticket · #4 11-16-2011, 12:21 PM

Danny I feel your pain brother a thousand plus cards later and 5k+ lighter in the pocket and I too am left scratching my head on some of the grades.

Look I get it I’m sure under any loop little tiny wrinkles can be seen but….have we really come to this that we are now picking cards based upon microscopic flaws unseen to the naked eye? I know I’m not…I challenge you to find better examples of these cards below. Flip or not these are some of the most pack fresh cards you will see in regard to Obaks especially the 1909’s.

Now don’t get me wrong I got lots of 7’s and 6’s and 5’s but I have to chuckle when I have 3’s & 4’s that are nicer than the 5’s and the 6’s that were returned.

I agree harsh grading isn’t good grading. I think holdings cards 100+ years old to standards of modern multi produced cards is and has always been a bit silly.

This whole wacky system has only amplified the trimmed card phenomenon. Look I know trimming has been going on awhile to guys like Copeland back in the day. But once grading came in and opened up the world to a bigger buying pool for crazy graded cards then it was razors away.

Don’t believe me for those of you who are newer to the hobby how often do you see oversized cards like below now?

Not often but they were very common when I collected now they are the black rhino of the card world.

When I think of all the amazing specimens that have been hacked, soaked and shucked over the years in the pursuit of a flip it makes me kind of sad.

Cheers,

John

pgellis · #5 11-16-2011, 12:56 PM

Wow John!
Were those Obaks sent in all at the same time? If they were, then I assume they were all being graded by the same person. How can there be that much difference (SGC70 to SGC50) with some of those? Some of those 50s look just as good as the 70s, if not better.

I collect only SGC graded T206s, as opposed to PSA, because I like the way they look in the holder. I have only sent in raw cards once or twice to SGC and have been very disappointed with the grades. Several were "A" for trimming when I was about as sure as I could be on one of the cards that it was never trimmed. Oh well.

As someone else said recently, I wish the grading standards were just "U" for Unaltered and "A" for Altered......or something like that and then let the buyer decide how much they like the card.

The only reason I buy graded cards now is that I buy about 99% of my cards online (eBay, BST, auction houses, etc.) and the first several that I bought online raw, were Trimmed. Therefore, I needed a TPG to tell me it was unaltered before I was going to send money to someone on the other side of the country.

wonkaticket · #6 11-16-2011, 01:49 PM

"Wow John! Were those Obaks sent in all at the same time? If they were, then I assume they were all being graded by the same person. How can there be that much difference (SGC70 to SGC50) with some of those? Some of those 50s look just as good as the 70s, if not better"

Phil, I'm still tring to figure this out myself.....I wish I knew and yes I dropped off over 1000+ cards all at the same time.

Fun, fun, fun...

Runscott · #7 11-16-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

"Wow John! Were those Obaks sent in all at the same time? If they were, then I assume they were all being graded by the same person. How can there be that much difference (SGC70 to SGC50) with some of those? Some of those 50s look just as good as the 70s, if not better"

Phil, I'm still tring to figure this out myself.....I wish I knew and yes I dropped off over 1000+ cards all at the same time.

Fun, fun, fun...

I've had the same experience with SGC. In past discussions I think the board consensus was that large submitters and dealers were simply treated better. Same for PSA - probably even moreso, plus some were able to get trimmed cards put in holders. No telling how many of those are circulating now - another good reason never to crack a NM PSA card. But checking the NM PSA cards in the current Legendary auction, you don't have to worry about that - many of them even have slightly rounded corners (Cobb bat off, for instance)

I was hoping the situation had changed, but it's still a wreck dealing with slabbed cards.

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