The Oaks Show and SGC Grading

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Vegas-guy

Its sad to hear that so many people hate the way the hobby has gone with TPG co. I would love to have nice "raw" cards but with 99% of cards being sold online now how, where, and who can you trust now days for quality "raw" cards??? Short of cracking every card out I don't see myself spending big $$$ on high grade/big name cards...
And then I don't want to crack them in case I want to sell or trade, then the next person is thinking the same thing, is this card trimmed, alt. etc

It's a real conundrum these days. You feel you have to buy high-grade in slabs, yet you can't crack them out for the reason you just stated. And should they trust the card? They might send it back to the slabber and find out you bought it slabbed and trimmed!

Speaking of which, let's say you buy a PSA-slabbed card as NM, crack it and send it to SGC, and they tell you it was trimmed. Are you just simply screwed?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Are you just simply screwed?

Simply- yes.

[bunst]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's a real conundrum these days. You feel you have to buy high-grade in slabs, yet you can't crack them out for the reason you just stated. And should they trust the card? They might send it back to the slabber and find out you bought it slabbed and trimmed!

Speaking of which, let's say you buy a PSA-slabbed card as NM, crack it and send it to SGC, and they tell you it was trimmed. Are you just simply screwed?

Not necessarily. Send it back to PSA and get it graded again.

[Jaybird]

ALL High grade tobacco and candy cards scare me unless I know exactly where they come from. The money is just too high to assume that the doctoring isn't rampant. TPG slab doesn't ease my mind at all; so to me it doesn't help or hurt and I wouldn't mind it all if it was gone. In fact, if it adds value to put a 7 or 8 on the card then it will only increase the desire to doctor and slab, thereby increasing fraud in the hobby. If the companies were truly able to tell which were doctored and which weren't and cared to be consistent, then there might be an argument but since they get it wrong so often...

That's why I'm happy to collect in mid-grade VG-VGEX-EX.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

ALL High grade tobacco and candy cards scare me unless I know exactly where they come from. The money is just too high to assume that the doctoring isn't rampant. TPG slab doesn't ease my mind at all; so to me it doesn't help or hurt and I wouldn't mind it all if it was gone. In fact, if it adds value to put a 7 or 8 on the card then it will only increase the desire to doctor and slab, thereby increasing fraud in the hobby. If the companies were truly able to tell which were doctored and which weren't and cared to be consistent, then there might be an argument but since they get it wrong so often...

That's why I'm happy to collect in mid-grade VG-VGEX-EX.

+1

[bobbyw8469]

Also, sorry to hear about your 1934 Gehrig. SGC is unsually tough on that one card in particular....not really sure why. Here is one that I won from Lew Lipsett auction last year. It looked good when I got it. Lew said he got it from an old school collector who had it in his collection for years....




I ended up consigning it with PWCC. Brent said it looked to be about 1/32 short from left to right. Not trimmed. Just came from Goudey that way.

[bobbyw8469]

bum rap, that's for sure!