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[David Atkatz]

No national support?

Johnson won by a landslide in '64. And as far as "not being Presidential material," Johnson's domestic policy far outshone Kennedy's. It's too bad he didn't get us out of Vietnam, rather than escalating. Had he done so, he'd be regarded today as one of the great Presidents.

(At the time, of course, I hated LBJ. I was one of the kids in the streets of D.C., chanting "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did ya kill today?")

[Ladder7]

Poignant image Jimmy. I was in kindergarten and they'd sent us home early. I was walking home with the bigger kids. So much confusion and tears. I didn't get it until later, lotsa people get shot in our city. Innocence lost.

[thetruthisoutthere]

That's a day I'll never forget. I was one month short of my 7th birthday and I remember sitting at my desk in school and the teacher telling us what had just happened. I remember all of us crying..........

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That's a day I'll never forget. I was one month short of my 7th birthday and I remember sitting at my desk in school and the teacher telling us what had just happened. I remember all of us crying..........

Chris,
I had exactly the same experience only I was 6 and it was one day after my birthday. I suspect it was like that everywhere that day.

BTW, growing up in So Cal about 20 minutes from Disneyland, I also remember the school announcing the death of Walt Disney over the intercom in school. There wasn't a dry eye in the school; all the kids cried uncontrollably!! I'll never forget either event...

[RichardSimon]

Is this the guilty man?
I have my doubts and I don't believe we know the entire truth.
I have owned this piece for a long time.
Robert Oswald auctioned off a few pieces he had from his brother, quite a number of years ago in a NYC auction.
I was lucky enough to buy this one, Dallas, Texas 1963 postmark.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Is this the guilty man?
I have my doubts and I don't believe we know the entire truth.

There was a good '3-bullet explanation' show on t.v. a couple of nights ago - unlike the normal 'conspiracy' pieces, this one showed that it was likely Oswald actually fired all 3 shots.

To me the question is "who was backing him?" Hard to believe he did it on his own, especially when key potential 'talkers' started dropping like flies immediately. On the other hand, if it was a large entity (political opposition, large corporation(s)), someone ALWAYS talks, and no one did.

I loved the Oliver Stone movie - that guy can really convince you that whatever he films is history, even if it's total b.s.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

No national support?

Johnson won by a landslide in '64. And as far as "not being Presidential material," Johnson's domestic policy far outshone Kennedy's. It's too bad he didn't get us out of Vietnam, rather than escalating. Had he done so, he'd be regarded today as one of the great Presidents.

(At the time, of course, I hated LBJ. I was one of the kids in the streets of D.C., chanting "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did ya kill today?")

In 1963, nobody, except perhaps Johnson himself, thought he would ever be president. His 1964 landslide, of course, was almost entirely the product of sympathy for JFK and a desire for continuation of his policies. I agree that without the tarnish of Vietnam, Johnson's presidency would have been regarded as a great one. As Buck Turgeson reminded HIS president, "You can't condemn the whole program because of one little slipup!"

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

In 1963, nobody, except perhaps Johnson himself, thought he would ever be president. His 1964 landslide, of course, was almost entirely the product of sympathy for JFK and a desire for continuation of his policies. I agree that without the tarnish of Vietnam, Johnson's presidency would have been regarded as a great one. As Buck Turgeson reminded HIS president, "You can't condemn the whole program because of one little slipup!"

The landslide was also a result of the country's fear of a man with an itchy trigger finger sitting in the White House. Of course this fear was played upon by Johnson in his campaign. The anti Goldwater sentiment in the country was very strong.

[David Atkatz]

Johnson would have certainly been Kennedy's running-mate in '64--for the same reason he was in 1960. (And for the same reason Kennedy went to Texas in November '63.) The Vice President would be just about sure to get the nomination over the Attorney General.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Johnson would have certainly been Kennedy's running-mate in '64--for the same reason he was in 1960. (And for the same reason Kennedy went to Texas in November '63.) The Vice President would be just about sure to get the nomination over the Attorney General.

I don't think so.

[David Atkatz]

Well, we'll never know.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Well, we'll never know.

Good place to leave it.

As for who was behind it, I vote for the Mob. With Bobby seriously trying to put them out of business (Valachi was singing), JFK eliminating their Cuban gambling by agreeing never to invade, JFK screwing Giancana's mistress (AFTER Sam brought in Illinois for him), Marcella and Traficante everywhere you turn in the story, the CIA-Mafia plot to kill Castro, etc., etc. Then you have the amazing coincidence that Oswald's assassin, Jack Ruby, just happened to be a lifelong mob guy. To me, Ruby's involvement is the key that unlocks the whole thing. I also cannot look at the head shot and believe for a second that shot didn't come from the Grassy Knoll. I don't care what anybody says, my eyes tell me all I need to know about that. I believe the Mob actually succeeded in rubbing out a president and getting away with it. Incredible.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The landslide was also a result of the country's fear of a man with an itchy trigger finger sitting in the White House. Of course this fear was played upon by Johnson in his campaign. The anti Goldwater sentiment in the country was very strong.

Yes, that, too. Major factor in the size of the victory.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

As Buck Turgeson reminded HIS president, "You can't condemn the whole program because of one little slipup!"

My favorite movie and one of the all time greats.