Help with Ty Cobb signed photo's at a local auction..."Ace" Authentication?

[oriolesbb6]

In this day and age its BS if an estate auction does not properly research a piece-ignorance is not a defense. If they are advertising a COA even though its a known fraud then shame on them. The only caveat would be if the auctioneer during the auction adds his own commentary to a piece(reporting faults, update condition reports, reiterates an unrecognized cert, etc...

[BrandonG]

Nobody has thoughts on these other autographs? I thought one of the guys would give an opinion on the others...

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

Nobody has thoughts on these other autographs? I thought one of the guys would give an opinion on the others...

I wouldn't even know where to start when giving an opinion on autographs...what I do know is that if it has an ACE cert it's almost guaranteed to be bad.

[packs]

Wasn't ACE the company that certified all those fake Babe Ruth autographs that guy was trying to sell with his Mathewsons?

[oriolesbb6]

My thoughts on the other autos-all bad....What more do you want to hear?

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by oriolesbb6

My thoughts on the other autos-all bad....What more do you want to hear?

Really what I was looking for was something along the lines of, regardless of the ACE connection, even if I didn't mention ACE, that the autos were no good. But I'm getting that vibe anyway so I'm satisfied, I'll stay away.

[mcgwirecom]

Cobb on a Polaroid?? I know Polaroid has been around awhile, but that particular type of picture wasn't around til the '70's was it? My Brother had a late '60's Polaroid and they were still the peel type film. That picture is on the "blow on it" variety that came out much later after he was dead I really think. Anyone else???

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Cobb on a Polaroid?? I know Polaroid has been around awhile, but that particular type of picture wasn't around til the '70's was it? My Brother had a late '60's Polaroid and they were still the peel type film. That picture is on the "blow on it" variety that came out much later after he was dead I really think. Anyone else???

Randall,
Good catch! Nothing like stating what should be the obvious and making this whole topic a no-brainer....

[daves_resale_shop]

Gents,

Take a look a this antiques and collectibles auction... Boatload of questionable stuff all authenticated by ACE

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/ph...&kwd=ty%20cobb

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop

Gents,

Take a look a this antiques and collectibles auction... Boatload of questionable stuff all authenticated by ACE

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/ph...&kwd=ty%20cobb

Ya geez, what a bunch of crap. The Cobb looks just like the one in the first post I made. And everything looks like it's on the same type of paper. Well guys glad I posted this thread, I'll just stick to the baseball! lol.

PS I think the first auto process Polaroid was 1960.

[doug.goodman]

I have a Joe Jackson polaroid, know I know where to get it authenticated.

Thanx!
Doug

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

PS I think the first auto process Polaroid was 1960.

This piqued my curiosity and it seems polaroid photographs can be dated via the date code on the photo, if one knows how to decode it. (Or, more accurately, you can date when the film was manufactured, with the usual assumption being that it was used within a few months of that date).

That being the case, I've done some preliminary searching, but haven't turned up anything that describes how to pull a date from the code. My understanding is that law enforcement agents have long been able to contact Polaroid customer service to determine the date of photos relating to an investigation, though I don't know if that still holds true (assumedly they would have to contact Fuji now). It seems to me though that someone somewhere would have made public the method for dating these photos.

So, anyone know something I don't that they would care to share?

(5 minutes later)
And of course, within minutes of posting the original question, I happened upon a document with the answer. In case it proves helpful to anyone, I found it here:

http://gawainweaver.com/images/uploa...olaroid_ID.pdf

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

Ya geez, what a bunch of crap. The Cobb looks just like the one in the first post I made. And everything looks like it's on the same type of paper. Well guys glad I posted this thread, I'll just stick to the baseball! lol.

PS I think the first auto process Polaroid was 1960.

Brandon,

No worries! Your baseball expertise is exceptional. It's great to have a guy like you around as a resource. I'm not even an early baseball collecting guy, but I can't wait to pick up your book on a topic that I would love to know more about.

[GrayGhost]

The Speaker doesn't look too bad. The Jackie. eh. hard to say. on the A's sheet, the Grove and Hoyt..YUCH. unless they were drunk.

I defer to more expert opinons overall, but these guys rep is really pretty bad. That said, even a Broken clock is right twice a day, so they may get some right along the way too.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

The Speaker doesn't look too bad. The Jackie. eh. hard to say. on the A's sheet, the Grove and Hoyt..YUCH. unless they were drunk.

I defer to more expert opinons overall, but these guys rep is really pretty bad. That said, even a Broken clock is right twice a day, so they may get some right along the way too.

This is exactly the way that I saw it as well...

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by perezfan

This is exactly the way that I saw it as well...

As far as I'm concerned one bad egg spoils the lot. I just don't think anyone goes to ACE, STAT, Morales, etc unless they know what they have is bad already. If the Speaker looks okay it's probably just a good forgery.