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It's not always that easy. I went into the hospital early last week for an emergency appendectomy and was there for several days. I was discharged Saturday afternoon and now I'm at home this week resting and recuperating. In the meantime, an eBay seller filed a NPB on me while I was in the hospital because I had not paid for a card (which was no fault of my own). You can bet he'll get a negative from me once I get the card.
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As stated earlier, some sellers will automatically file a nonpayment claim after a certain amount of days. When I sell an item I will send a message after 7 days if there is no payment or communication from the buyer.
The key to me is communication. I have had a number of times that buyers have not been able to pay right away but as long as they keep in contact with me I have no problem waiting. As a buyer I recently had my main check card that is linked to my paypal stolen and had to contact a few sellers to ask for a few days until I was issued a new card. I feel that most sellers are reasonable as long there is communication. Andrew |
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David- hope you are feeling better. I've had two stays in the hospital this year, and it sucks.
As to the original question, five days wouldn't be very long to pay an auction house, but on ebay that's kind of a long time, since the majority of people paypal within the first few hours. While the seller was impatient and shouldn't have hit you with a nonpayment, I think you had an obligation to check and see if you won, and then emailed to let him know that it might take a little longer for you to pay. Both sides didn't handle this perfectly. |
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p.s. David, sorry to hear about the emergency and hope all is well w/you!! Last edited by tiger8mush; 12-19-2011 at 12:26 PM. |
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I guess this guy was not around in the days of sending checks and mo for items now everybody thinks they should get paid right away. Back in those days things took time. Rob
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You've made your payment today; I'll send the card in the morning. -erick |
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You know Ken nobody ever said it was a point of not having the money so why don't you go back and read it again. And thats real nice of you to pay right away way to go for you. Who the hell are you to assume that I could not pay for the item? Rob
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I'm pretty patient both ways.
The less you stress the easier life is. I've held stuff for guys for weeks sometimes. Eventually just about everybody pays. I've had perhaps one or two non-payers in the last year. I usually send a second invoice after about 7-10 days, followed by a non-paying notice a few days after that, which usually does the trick and gets you paid. I don't have any automatic settings (that I know of). I'd rather keep that sort of communication out of Ebays unforgiving hands. |
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It is smart to keep it out of Ebays hands see what happens? Rob
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Personally, I pay for purchases a few minutes after auction ends. Why create the drama for a seller? Also, sellers seem to ship faster if you pay fast. More than a day to pay is rediculous!!! But that's me. Don't bid on an item if you can't afford to pay for it immediately. Cards are a luxury, not a necessity.
Kmac
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When I have sold on ebay, I always indicate in the listing that I expect payment or at least communication 5 days after the auction ends. I then do not bother my buyers until the 4th day then I leave a very polite courtesy reminder that payment is due the following day. Then on the 5th day I leave another message saying I need payment but very politely. Then on the 6th day (I have never gone further than that) I leave a message in the morning a little firmer, then later that night I give second chance offer to the lower bidder. If they pay on the 6th day right before I offer it to someone else, in the feedback I mark it positive but I say nothing about speedy payment, I simply say "paid" or "ok."
If I buy an item, I inform the seller in advance before I hit that "make a offer" "buy it now" button or bid if I can't pay within 3 days then I tell them how much time I need. If I do not pay 1 or two days after the auction ends and as long as it ends on a friday or saturday I just wait til I have the money within 2-3 days later, since they can't ship anyway, but I will always answer questions. |
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He is vintagetoppsguy on ebay. I blocked him this AM. Sorry for his health issues but to expect a seller to know via ESP of his situation is pathetic. Hard enough being a seller on eBay. I like to be proactive in avoiding problems on ebay. Greg |
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And to think I was not planning on attending.
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As Andrew said a couple of posts after mine, it's all about communication. The seller chose not to communicate with me and I couldn't communicate with him. There's a difference. The seller could have attempted communication although I couldn't have responded anyway. At that point, he would have had the right to file the NPB. I would have just chalked it up as a misunderstanding. However, he didn't try to initiate communication, instead he filed an NPB as soon as he could. Sorry if the two of you just don't get that. Oh, and one more thing guys. From the seller's own auction: "Payment is through PayPal only and due within 24 hours of the auction's end." You want to rip me for leaving a negative for this seller, let's hear you defend the seller's payment expectations. |
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To be honest I put "payment due within 24 hours after completion of auction". It's not crazy to ask people to pay for their winnings in a timely manner. If you don't put anything about a payment timeline people will pay 2 weeks down the road. If you light a fire under people they'll pay quick and since putting that on my listings everyone has paid within 24 hours.
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I took some psa cards wrapped ready to go to the post office one sunday to get a quote on shipping. E-bay had sent an invoice for $25 shipping as the buyer bought 5 lots. I didn't know what it was going to cost the buyer and as I hate overcharging on postage I could not be fairer than this.
It was quoted at $8.62 so with the exchange rate and the bubble mailer I thought 9 bucks would be fair. To save another trip to the post office I mailed it then and there, the buyer had 100% feedback so I wasn't worried. I came home resent the invoice with $9 shipping. Monday I get an e-mail requesting a shipping quote. I resend the invoice with $9 shipping. It gets to Thursday and not paypal payment, I sent a very polite e-mail asking if he got my invoice? 1 hour later he pays me,the next day the cards drop through his mailbox. He is over the moon and leaves me glowing feedback 5 times. So I waited a few days and we were both happy. I usually state on my auctions that could the buyer please pay within 7 days of invoice, most people have been pretty good. |
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I believe that a NPB notice IS a form of communication. As has been noted, there is no negative strike against a bidder when this is filed and the bidder does have an additional four days to complete payment. The bidder receives a notice stating that payment has not been received and encouraging that payment to be completed or further communication to be initiated with the seller.
I generally wait 5-7 days before filing one (unless there has been prior communication as to a legitimate delay) and, honestly, I feel that this is being more than patient. If a person is actively bidding on online auctions, there should be VERY few legitimate circumstances in which they truly can't complete a Paypal payment within 8-10 days. I have purchased hundreds of items on eBay and never once have taken more than 1-2 days to complete a payment. I mean, it takes literally 30 seconds. Obviously there will be the rare situation, like a hospitalization, where this genuinely is the case...but in all fairness, this would account for a tiny fraction of these scenarios so it would seem extremely unreasonable to expect a seller to anticipate this or to hold it against them when they file a NPB as a normal course of business. |
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I sell quite a bit on ebay and I am very patient with buyers. I usually do not initiate a NPB notice until the 10th day that the item has not been paid for at the earliest, I personally would not have initiated that on the 4th or 5th day but that is up the the seller as they are totally within their rights to do so. I do not do ebay to make a living, I do it merely as a well paying hobby that allows me to free up money to buy things I like better than what I already have (and I don't have to clear it with the Mrs. ![]() Happy Holidays to all -Rhett
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Rob, to answer your question, I didn't say that I didn't like the seller's terms, I'm just saying they're unreasonable although I would have complied had I been able. |
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If seller's were permitted to leave negatives or even neutrals I suspect that David might not be resorting to this extreme a reaction.
The Unpaid Item Case being opened on the 4th day after the close of the auction is an option eBay affords sellers and it is done as a reminder without any impact to a buyer's standing on eBay. Nobody likes to be reminded they owe money but what other options are there? The notices are sent as a convenience to the seller. Unless a buyer has a massive want list (and budget) I suspect sellers are offering far more items in a month than most buyers acquire in a month. I think it is unreasonable to expect a seller to also take the time to send out notices to buyers to remind them payment is due. I have but sometimes I forget which is why the automated notification by eBay is helpful. A seller has communicated to a buyer by virtue of their terms in the auction listing. If a buyer does not read that whose fault is that? |
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How is paying for something that you agreed to buy within 24 hours unreasonable?
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Pretty easy with no money in Paypal !!!
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When you bid on an item you are agreeing to the sellers terms. If you dont like them DON'T BID.
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Just so I can clarify, when I referred to communication being the key, I was talking about the buyer communicating with the seller if he can not make the payment within the time that was requested.
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I don't agree that npb is a form of communication, or if it is it is a threat like a bill collector and that is how it comes accross. I forgot to pay for an $8 dollar item seller filed npb so I paid immediately, for the next three months I got emails every few days asking me to please pay for my item so it can have a negative impact. When selling I wait atleast 5 days to a week and then send an email asking buyer if they still want the item, then depending on the amount of item wait another few days to a week and ask again. If no response let them know if I don't hear from them will need to file npd so I don't get stuck with the fees. I have waited two months to get paid, sometimes longer. 90% pay fairly quickly and 9% end up paying sometime and 1% never hear from again. I understand the frustration on both sides but everyone is different. As long as no fraud or theft is taking place it shouldn't be the end of the world.
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BTW, what happened to Christmas (holiday) spirit! As far as I'm concerned, if a seller doesn't here from a buyer, they should file a NPB. It's just to protect their tail. For every person that has a legit reason not to pay, there is an actualy person out there purposely ruining business. Again, people have unexpected emergencies (appendix, ouch!), and in that instance something should be worked out when the person is healthy enough to communicate with the seller. If that happened to me, the last thing on my mind is making a paypal payment for a card. I'm worrying about more important stuff! Hope everyone gets everything resolved.
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