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wonkaticket · #1 12-30-2011, 07:50 PM

Guys this is what cracks me up about this whole credit thing. If something is shared sometimes it's used elsewhere with no mention of who found it out.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=145505

Perfect examples are the two cards here that Trae is selling in the BST. He links to two blogs of Bob Lemke's where the articles gush about how Trae has found these errors

"Now, through the efforts of T206 devotee Trae Regan, four more T206 errors will be added to that "set" in a forthcoming edition of the catalog. These are not earthshaking discoveries; they have been known among serious T206 collectors for a long time, but they have never been previously cataloged. We'll share two of those with you today. Both have been confirmed in several examples, signaling they are "collectible" to those who want to search them out"

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2011/05...-listings.html
http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2011/05...th-errors.html

When in fact I found the Marquard and posted it in 2008 here, I also clued Trae into the "Partial" G card of Lefty and the Randall card has been talked about for years amoungst collectors.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=Reverse+comma

It is what it is if you share info with the public sometimes it will be used with no mention of the orginal source by mistake or on purpose. The only way to be sure you never have your info used in this way is to not share which is lame...in the end none of us are going to get rich with T206 tidbits.

But if you want to tar and feather Trae for plagiarism here ya go.

Cheers,

John

Gradedcardman · #2 12-30-2011, 07:59 PM

John,

Great point !! I hope to continue working on the set for many years to come If I happen across something interesting I will post it as fast as I can to share information. The knowledge of the members of this board is why I continue to read daily and learn. I certainly don't think that I could make any " discovery " worthy of copyrighting before sharing and quite honestly wouldn't care to.

Anyway, again I love the site and enjoy the content greatly !!

wonkaticket · #3 12-30-2011, 08:16 PM

Adam, same way I feel. Hope you had good holidays.

BTW I have stuff for your son I got your message when I was overseas I'll drop you an email so you can get him some of his stuff.

Cheers,

John

TexasLeaguer · #4 12-30-2011, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

It is what it is if you share info with the public sometimes it will be used with no mention of the orginal source by mistake or on purpose.

By mistake is one thing, but when you don't mention the original source on purpose it is a dick move. Giving credit where credit is due is just a sign of decency and respect, in all areas of life, not just cards.

edited to add: I'm not referring to any one person or group specifically, just making a generalization that hopefully everyone can agree with. Thanks.

Runscott · #5 12-30-2011, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasLeaguer

By mistake is one thing, but when you don't mention the original source on purpose it is a dick move. Giving credit where credit is due is just a sign of decency and respect, in all areas of life, not just cards.

edited to add: I'm not referring to any one person or group specifically, just making a generalization that hopefully everyone can agree with. Thanks.

Not only do I agree with you, I posted this same idea previously. You could at least give me credit. What a dick move.

(I hope everyone has a good sense of humor by now

)

Runscott · #6 12-30-2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Guys this is what cracks me up about this whole credit thing. If something is shared sometimes it's used elsewhere with no mention of who found it out.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=145505

Perfect examples are the two cards here that Trae is selling in the BST. He links to two blogs of Bob Lemke's where the articles gush about how Trae has found these errors

"Now, through the efforts of T206 devotee Trae Regan, four more T206 errors will be added to that "set" in a forthcoming edition of the catalog. These are not earthshaking discoveries; they have been known among serious T206 collectors for a long time, but they have never been previously cataloged. We'll share two of those with you today. Both have been confirmed in several examples, signaling they are "collectible" to those who want to search them out"

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2011/05...-listings.html
http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2011/05...th-errors.html

When in fact I found the Marquard and posted it in 2008 here, I also clued Trae into the "Partial" G card of Lefty and the Randall card has been talked about for years amoungst collectors.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=Reverse+comma

It is what it is if you share info with the public sometimes it will be used with no mention of the orginal source by mistake or on purpose. The only way to be sure you never have your info used in this way is to not share which is lame...in the end none of us are going to get rich with T206 tidbits.

But if you want to tar and feather Trae for plagiarism here ya go.

Cheers,

John

John, please start a new thread about these errors. I sent Trae a PM with my thoughts, but didn't want to discuss publicly since he has sales going. But I would love to talk about these cards. Thanks.

T206.org · #7 12-31-2011, 07:35 AM

John, the articles don't gush about me finding these errors. They both say the same thing, that they'll be cataloged through my efforts. All that means is that I took the time to bring them to Bob's attention (with multiple follow ups), to have them cataloged.

It clearly states "they have been known among serious T206 collectors for a long time, but they have never been previously cataloged". That's you, among others.

--

Hi Scott, just saw your email. These "errors" have already been debated many times over in existing threads.

Runscott · #8 12-31-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206.org

John, the articles don't gush about me finding these errors. They both say the same thing, that they'll be cataloged through my efforts. All that means is that I took the time to bring them to Bob's attention (with multiple follow ups), to have them cataloged.

It clearly states "they have been known among serious T206 collectors for a long time, but they have never been previously cataloged". That's you, among others.

--

Hi Scott, just saw your email. These "errors" have already been debated many times over in existing threads.

Okay, since I missed the discussions then, I understand, and they will never again be mentioned.

T206.org · #9 12-31-2011, 11:04 AM

No-no, I was just thinking you could dig them up using the search and continue any existing discussions. John even linked one in his post. I do appreciate your consideration to my sales post though!

Runscott · #10 12-31-2011, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206.org

No-no, I was just thinking you could dig them up using the search and continue any existing discussions. John even linked one in his post. I do appreciate your consideration to my sales post though!

Thanks, and congrats on selling them. The prices were fair, just for the fact that they were anomalies.

T206.org · #11 12-31-2011, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott

Thanks, and congrats on selling them. The prices were fair, just for the fact that they were anomalies.

Thanks, Scott! In the end, I came down a little over 20% and sold them as a pair.

wonkaticket · #12 12-31-2011, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206.org

John, the articles don't gush about me finding these errors. They both say the same thing, that they'll be cataloged through my efforts. All that means is that I took the time to bring them to Bob's attention (with multiple follow ups), to have them cataloged.

It clearly states "they have been known among serious T206 collectors for a long time, but they have never been previously cataloged". That's you, among others.

--

Hi Scott, just saw your email. These "errors" have already been debated many times over in existing threads.

Trae, I don�t really care either way that's my whole point here. I know you�re just taking info you found via others and trying to push it forward....to have it added to add to value to your sales of these cards.

The main reason me and other "advanced" T206 collectors aren't chasing Bob on these is there are dozens if not 40-50 of these little things like Randall, Marquard, Lefty in this set. If we added them all we would have a really long checklist with goofy errors a lot of which are nothing more than printing var. that's all.

John

Jaybird · #13 12-31-2011, 01:09 PM

I agree. I'm not going to say there is a variation on every pose but there sure are a lot of them. There's a big difference between these variations and legitimate changes that were made to the plates (on purpose) resulting in a wholly different card. Many of the proofs show these changes that were made (i.e., Leon's Matty). You can see many differences (not so subtle) which are readily apparent. Partial G, partial S, and all these that happen during the course of printing are somewhat interesting but more of an insight into the printing process itself rather than the intentions of the printers or the company that made the cards.

I've found a couple over the course of collecting just by putting some of the same cards side by side. Here's one I found. I didn't ascribe any value to it but if others do, so be it.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135461

Runscott · #14 12-31-2011, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaybird

I agree. I'm not going to say there is a variation on every pose but there sure are a lot of them. There's a big difference between these variations and legitimate changes that were made to the plates (on purpose) resulting in a wholly different card. Many of the proofs show these changes that were made (i.e., Leon's Matty). You can see many differences (not so subtle) which are readily apparent. Partial G, partial S, and all these that happen during the course of printing are somewhat interesting but more of an insight into the printing process itself rather than the intentions of the printers or the company that made the cards.

I've found a couple over the course of collecting just by putting some of the same cards side by side. Here's one I found. I didn't ascribe any value to it but if others do, so be it.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135461

I see the cards you mention as being of three types: 1) errors (such as 'Magie'), 2) intentional variations (possibly the Matty black cap), and 3) poor execution of a design ('nodgrass', the partial 'G' discussed here, the 'red blob' McGraw portrait, the 'comma' Marquard, the partial 'Natl' McGraw that I showed several years ago, Sharpe/Shappe - as John points out, the list is endless and if you are going to include these, you might as well throw in 'Weimer ghost on back' (since there are more than one), and any other odd card that made it into production).

As you would expect, there was a lot of poor execution.

Jaybird · #15 12-31-2011, 01:34 PM

You lay it out nicely, Scott. #1: Errors, which were corrected resulting in two different cards, the error card and the corrected card (i.e., Magie). and then #3 Poor Execution.

However, I don't know if I understand the #2: Intentional Variation one. On your Matty Black Cap, are you saying they intentionally were making a different looking card? I'm not sure I agree. I think the quality control was just not quite up to the task or they went about the procedures in a different way to create the card. It's hard for me to believe the printer was looking and trying to make the green background 1/16 of an inch shorter than another card.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.

T206.org · #16 12-31-2011, 01:48 PM

Cheers, John. Understood.

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