American Caramel E121 series of 80 survey revisited

[old-baseball]

Brian / Rhett - Just want to make sure we're all talking the same language...

Type 4 - is the newly discovered (couple of months ago) reverse were the first line of printing has the tight spacing between the words. Type 1 (normal most common back) on the left and Type 4 (tighter spacing on first line plus in this case reversed) on the right.



What are we calling "reversed" back? Is it just "reversed" or Type 5? I think Brian is refering to it as Type 4 in his last post.

Anyway here's what I can offer:

I have a bunch of Type 2 cards - if you want me to identify them for you just let me know.

I have "Pat" Shea and Aaron Ward in both Type 2 and Type 3 in my collection.

Type 4 - tighter printing on first line
Sisler - Throwing (also reversed)

"Reversed" Backs
Bancroft (Batting)
Bush
Carey (Hands at Hips)
Daubert
May (no "S" at end)
Murphy
O'Neill
Pfeffer (Brooklyn)
Pipp
Toney (No Trees)
Veach (Arms Crossed)
Wingo

[rhettyeakley]

Kevin, you are correct about the "Type 4" back we are referring to. It has the condensed first line. It remains to be seen if these are more or less common than the Type 3's as it has only really come to light recently. My first inclination is slightly tougher than Type 3 but the sample size is pretty small.

About the "Reversed" back... I have seen the reversed back on Type 1, 3, and I think every Type 4 I have seen. I do not consider the "Reversed" back a variation at all just a printing goof of sorts. I haven't seen a Type 2 with the reversed back though even though it is the second most common of the backs. (Interesting isn't it?)

-Rhett

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Kevin and Rhett for getting me up to speed on what truly constitutes a Type 4 Reverse. I am pretty sure the Jennings and Milan I listed previously as Type 4's are just plain reversed backs, so I removed them from the list. I have corrected/updated that list to reflect Kevin's Sisler example as well. I have also updated the "Type 2 exclusive" list to remove the two cards that Kevin indicates he has Type 3 examples. Thanks for the info Kevin, and, as always, I appreciate the knowledgeable input of Rhett.

Brian

[Cat]

Here are two reversed backs. Only the Judge is somewhat rare?

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Mr. Cat for showing the two reversed back cards. The Judge has made its way to the 'reversed back with condensed first line list', and thanks to your posting of the Kerr reversed back on the same posting we can quickly see the difference between the two. The reversed back as seen on your Kerr definitely seems more readily available than the condensed line version, but still is fairly uncommon.

Thanks for the input...any more E121 uncommon back info out there to share, anyone?

Brian