T206 carolina brights or brown hindu, which is tougher?

[Blitzu]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Blitzu, I think the population report information would be about worthless. First, rarer backed cards are more likely to be graded than common backed cards. Next, lots of the cards have been broken out, and some of those have been resubmitted. Another factor is that the graders had a difficult time in accurately assessing the card, some more than others; and by that I'm not talking about a number grade, but actually identifying the card.

Similarly, to look at a collection, someone might have tried and tried to get one Uzit, one Carolina Brights, one Broadleaf... to then see about 500 white border cards, one of which is a CB and one of which is BL and think that 0.2% of the collection is CB, so it must be that 0.2% of all cards out there are CB... there's the trap. When I started collecting these, I gathered about half a dozen Hindu's without any awareness or conscious effort, it was mainly about the fronts then. That wasn't true for CB or BL...

I hear ya, but there are still a lot of "what ifs" left out there because of these cards. The possibility still exists that one could have sent in 3 dozen drums (just an example) at one time because they stumbled upon them and has been hording them since. Not that it would be a great deal of cards to change all perceptions but it would be meaningful enough to know.

Has PSA ever made an effort to figure out what these unlabeled cards are?
Sorry for the highjack OP. It's my last question about this side note.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Blitzu

Has PSA ever made an effort to figure out what these unlabeled cards are?
Sorry for the highjack OP. It's my last question about this side note.

PSA offers a discounted price to have them reholdered with the correct back info. The number of unidentified backs continues to go down but will never reach zero since many may have been broken out and others may be in collections where the owner doesn't mind the missing notation on the holder.

[FrankWakefield]

Hey there, I gotta agree that the margin of error would be the same across the board, and probably for that reason a non-factor. I was wrong thinking it would be, I didn't think through that to the end. And realistically they do get most of 'em correctly identified.

[CMIZ5290]

Thanks guys for alot of great feedback. I would have to admit now that cb's are rarer. But why in the world is the price difference not there? Again, especially with hall of famers, brown hindu comparable grades seem to be higher. I am just trying to get in tune with the on-going trend of rarer backs.....thanks

[ullmandds]

I think Hindu prices are higher because there are a few people going after them...whether they're going after the hindu subset...or just hoarding them...don't know...but they are getting bid up...as compared to Carolina Brights.

[CMIZ5290]

Ronnie- you have just made my day because i have an sgc 86 cy young tolstoi and did not know it was the highest sgc graded....thanks for the sgc info

[tiger8mush]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380402359127

Common SGC 50 Cycle 460 just went for $400. I thought it was high at $200 with a day left to go. Shows what I know haha.

[Ronnie73]

Hi Kevin, This is just my opinion but might be why the prices don't match the rarity. I believe that when a Carolina Brights back is for sale, a collector tends to purchace or win it and it go's into their collection. Alot of the Hindu backs I see for sale, get bought and then resold for a profit and sometimes are then resold again by another person for more of a mark-up and profit. I just think the collectors are getting the CB's before the dealers do and at a fair price too. Here's an example, I planned on bidding on a Johnny Evers with an American Beauty 350 WF back ungraded that sold for $168.26 on 8/22/2011 on ebay. I had a family emergency that night and didn't get to bid but if I did, I would have probably won and it would have stayed in my collection. A Net54 member won it and had it graded and came back a PSA 3 and sold it for $250.00 around 10/29/2011 to another member who then sold in on ebay for $399.99 around 12/18/2011. So the point i'm making is dealers that are trying to make money are driving the prices up but if I won it for under $200 then that would be the going price since I wouldn't be selling it. I have no problem with anyone trying to make money and I know someone would have to be willing to pay for it but I just believe the more times a card changes hands and everyone wants their cut of the profit, it inflates the prices. When a collector adds a card to their collection at a fair price, then other similar cards tend to sell around the same price. Hope this kinda makes sence and I didn't confuse anyone but remember its just my opinion and thought of why some prices are way out of wack.

[FrankWakefield]

I agree with Dr. U, there are a few folks who are now looking at a run on the Hindu cards. Putting those cards together is conceivable. Most of us are happy to have a few. Maybe if someone has been watching Hindu sales on eBay, one thing to look at would be to see who the top 5 bidders have been. Sometimes someone might not bid on one because they already have that one. But I'd think that some of the same folks are going after them...

[Ronnie73]

Peter and Frank, you are probably right about the same buyers competing for the Hindu backs. I used to follow who the winning bidders were on items back in the good days of ebay but now the user names are blocked. I can understand why they did that because I used to get hate mail when i'd buy up all of a certain item. I remember one guy saying, how many Randy Johnson rookie cards do you need? I told him i'd stop hoarding them when I got to 10,000. Anyways, if its true that there are a few working on a set of Hindu's, maybe when they finish, the prices will drop a bit with less competition and the rest of us can add a few at some fair prices.

[lutherlafy]

Nice post.
I checked the PSA population report and it said 4 Carolina Brights PSA 6. I checked mine and I own 3 of the 4.
I also have 1-PSA 5, 1-PSA 4 and 2-PSA 3.

I did not realize they were so scare.

[CMIZ5290]

I'll tell you another back that i think is greatly underrated, and scarcer than most people think is tolstoi's. I checked the psa population and there are only 10 graded higher than a psa 6.

[Ronnie73]

Kevin, Tolstoi's sure are condition rare. Here are the SGC numbers to go with your PSA numbers. 21 cards in SGC 80/6, 7 cards in SGC 84/7, and 2 cards in SGC 86/7.5. No Tolstoi's higher than a 86/7.5.