A Question Regarding Pinback Buttons

perezfan · #1 01-16-2012, 03:15 PM

The "book values" may not be impacted, but they consistently sell for lots more when the ribbons and charms are included (and are attractive). I have followed this matter closely, and the ribbons/charms can make a huge difference in the actual prices realized.

I know that I'll pay lots more if the piece is more attractive... below are some of my Reds Pins. I bypassed a ton of them (witout the nice ribbons/charms) until I could find these prime examples.

The seller that Mike referenced on ebay adds brand new ribbons/charms to his vintage pins (and pawns them off as all-original). This guy has no scruples, and you can see in his buying history, that he purchases bulk groups of charms, new ribbon by the yard, etc. He has some very elaborate and ornate "creations". Perhaps not as alarming as the autograph fraud discussed on this forum, but these items were definitely created to deceive.

Any somewhat experienced collector can tell the original ribbon from the new. The materials aren't even similar. Plus, after you've seen enough, you know which ribbons/charms should go with which pins.

batsballsbases · #2 01-16-2012, 04:06 PM

Hi Mike,
This is a great question that I guess would have to have a few levels to answer. As for the look of the pin Yes ribbons and items added do make the pin look nicer and was a great avenue for eye candy but in my opinion unless its linked to a specific "dated" or lets say "team name" ribbon. I really cant see that it would be adding value to the pin. I myself buy the pin for the pin .
Anyone at anytime can add a vintage piece of ribbon from another pin . I have seen ribbons used from political pins ,football pin items used on baseball pins. Alot of the athletics pins sometimes have a small plastic elephant on them . The elephant was also used on many political pins. Some of the PM10 player pins in Pauls book have the small alumimum ewell blackwell or ralph kiner trinket with the pin . THat never came on any of those pins as it was a bit o honey candy send away for I believe about 8-10 players. I have the advirtisement somewhere and will try and scan it . The small little leather gloves do seem to add a value to the pin but really are people willing to spend lets say an extra 20-40 dollars on lets say a common PM10 player pin that has that little glove with it? I wouldnt. To me it was all marketing. Two of the same cars put side by side one has a ribbon on it the other doesnt. Which one do you buy? I guess the ribbons are a nice item to have but for me like I have always said I buy the pin for the pin.

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