Pennant collectors

[Duluth Eskimo]

All of these pennants are absolutely authentic. As stated earlier, this is a common (somewhat) style and most likely produced by the same maker. Also previously stated, the 1919 White Sox is a beautiful pennant. I have not seen the 1927 Pirates nor the Browns, but both 1920 versions I have seen before. The buyers of these pennants got a great buy if you ask me as the three champion pennants as EXTREMELY rare and well worth the amount paid. I bid on all three, but was buying them for resale and was not surpised I did not win them.

On a side note, I find it ironic for all the auction and authenticator bashing that happens nowadays people have a hard time believing that authentic great sports memorabilia can still be found by common folk and sold on their own. Maybe the buyers will auction them in a large auction house, but I hope all three went to good homes and will stay for years to come.

[jsage]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

All of these pennants are absolutely authentic. As stated earlier, this is a common (somewhat) style and most likely produced by the same maker. Also previously stated, the 1919 White Sox is a beautiful pennant. I have not seen the 1927 Pirates nor the Browns, but both 1920 versions I have seen before. The buyers of these pennants got a great buy if you ask me as the three champion pennants as EXTREMELY rare and well worth the amount paid. I bid on all three, but was buying them for resale and was not surpised I did not win them.

On a side note, I find it ironic for all the auction and authenticator bashing that happens nowadays people have a hard time believing that authentic great sports memorabilia can still be found by common folk and sold on their own. Maybe the buyers will auction them in a large auction house, but I hope all three went to good homes and will stay for years to come.

Mr Eskimo - well said.............................

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

All of these pennants are absolutely authentic. As stated earlier, this is a common (somewhat) style and most likely produced by the same maker. Also previously stated, the 1919 White Sox is a beautiful pennant. I have not seen the 1927 Pirates nor the Browns, but both 1920 versions I have seen before. The buyers of these pennants got a great buy if you ask me as the three champion pennants as EXTREMELY rare and well worth the amount paid. I bid on all three, but was buying them for resale and was not surpised I did not win them.

On a side note, I find it ironic for all the auction and authenticator bashing that happens nowadays people have a hard time believing that authentic great sports memorabilia can still be found by common folk and sold on their own. Maybe the buyers will auction them in a large auction house, but I hope all three went to good homes and will stay for years to come.

Well, then, get out your checkbooks, boys, here comes the exact same pennant again from the same seller, once again with a $249 minimum when it got five bids higher than that from different bidders the first time around, including two bids around $1,600. Maybe you don't think the pennants are fishy, but something's starting to smell around here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330670384973...84.m1423.l2649

[lefty147]

I had emailed the seller to asked if it was the same pennant and they said it was. They said the previous winner did not pay so it was being listed again. Mike

[thetahat]

Mike,

The response you got was not quite accurate. I was actually the winner on the '20 Dodgers pennant (and an underbidder on the Indians pennant). I paid for it, received it two Saturdays ago, and immediately returned it for a refund (which could only be given if pennant not as described/pictured). I can prove this to anyone if need be. Pennant was not accurately pictured and some flaws were left out. Significant fade to the felt on the front, it is much lighter than the back which doesn't quite show up in the pictures. In the pictures the shade looks about the same on both sides but that isn't true. Pennant is also very thin in the upper left corner, especially around the Y and N in Brooklyn, hold it to the light and it is almost like Kleenex. There's also wear to the wide end edge by the top. The bottom tassel is partially disconnected from the grommet leaving a fairly large hole. Also the faded fibers were kinda loose and shedding off the front. It is authentic in my opinion and very old, maybe not back to 1920 but perhaps from a very old Hall of Fame series or something. Had I known these other flaws I likely would still bid on it but nowhere near what I actually did, not even close. I saw the re-posting and noticed that it is the same description with no revision. That's unfortunate.

Lastly, yes, I was the one who started this thread, I wanted to see peoples' objective thoughts and didn't want anyone to hold back so as to not want to break any bad news to me.

[lefty147]

Thanks for the information on it.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by lefty147

I had emailed the seller to asked if it was the same pennant and they said it was. They said the previous winner did not pay so it was being listed again. Mike

Why didn't the seller just offer the underbidder a second chance?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Why didn't the seller just offer the underbidder a second chance?

Perhaps he did, and it was declined. I almost always pass on the "second chance offers". It is a flaw in ebay's sytem. You should not have to pay your max bid, if the top bid is withdrawn. You should only pay the next increment above bidder #3. The second chance thing is generally a rip-off.

I bet that more than half of the "second chance offers" are actually declined.

[perezfan]

Bottom line... these pennants were 100% authentic and legit. But the various flaws were not properly disclosed (especially for such high-end pieces).

Could be one of three reasons...

1. The seller didn't know "squat" about vintage pennants (and what pennant collectors would look for in terms of condition).

2. Seller had an intent to deceive, and thus realize a higher price.

3. A combination of points 1 and 2. This is my guess.

[thetahat]

Mark, it was probably more #1 than #2. For example, the picture not accurately representing the fading was likely a matter of lighting when the pictures were taken. Also you can't see how thin/worn it is in the corner unless you hold it to the light; it is still whole but it is very fragile. I guess the troubling part was the re-posting with the exact same description - no mention of these additional flaws - and then replying to someone that the buyer never paid for the item. That's just a flat out untruth.

Greg

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Bottom line... these pennants were 100% authentic and legit.

Do you think these were issued by a commercial manufacturer at the time of the world series' named on the pennants? If so, what's the evidence for that?

[Tigerden]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Perhaps he did, and it was declined. I almost always pass on the "second chance offers". It is a flaw in ebay's sytem. You should not have to pay your max bid, if the top bid is withdrawn. You should only pay the next increment above bidder #3. The second chance thing is generally a rip-off.

I bet that more than half of the "second chance offers" are actually declined.

+1. I have never accepted the second chance offer for this very reason.