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If a guy's HOF status is widely debated, he probably should be in or didn't deserve to get in.
Yep, I pretty much agree. There's probably been a couple guys that were severely under or overrated, whose status was never questioned, but your rule is a good one. If you gotta really make a case for a guy, he shouldn't be in.

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"If you gotta really make a case for a guy, he shouldn't be in ..."

It would be a very small Hall of Fame under those circumstances. I was just reading how Harry Heilmann was his era's Ron Santo. There were actually voters who insisted he wasn't worthy even though he hit .342 lifetime (#12 on the all-time list) and won four batting titles, never hitting under .393. Like Santo, everybody felt guilty for ignoring him and he was elected the year after he died ...

I hear many fans and voters talk about how so and so isn't worthy of being in the Hall of Fame, but they rarely point to statistical evidence backing up their opinions. It's my belief that the debate has to start with a meaningful comparison of the numbers. I don't think the problem is too much debate, it's that too many debaters — including many voters — simply haven't done their research ...
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Edgar should definitely be in. It's not his fault that he lingered in AAA while the Mariners had Jim Pressley at 3B. And Edgar was NOT a DH because he was injury prone (whoever said that). He was a 3B with absolutely no range. He was one of THE dominant hitters in his day (to whoever foolishly threw that lame attack at him). I leave you with these quotes from Baseball Reference:

Mike Scioscia: "Edgar's a Hall of Fame-caliber hitter. He's the one guy you didn't want to see come up there with the game on the line."

Dusty Baker: "He's one of best right-handed hitters ever seen"

Mariano Rivera: "He's the toughest batter I ever faced"

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