Do-over. heritage relists no sale psa, jsa 1939 controversial signedinduction program

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

okay i will answer, i have answered this 100 times already, and you can believe what you want. i have commented on fde's many times.

anl doesnt have anything to do with anything. i post under my own name and you wont find one paragraph that i have ever posted defending the fde's.

what about morales do you or anyone else not understand by now? that's why i dont get. people see the denouncing of morales as an endorsement of the tpa's, they think it is either/or, when I dont like either one, but they refuse to accept that paradigm.

so as soon as they see me denounce the fde's, they say "see , Roste endorses the TPA companies." I won't give them that satisfaction, because if anybody took a few minutes to look on the web, they will see many statements I have made that take the fde's to task. If they don't want to look for them, that is not my problem.

do you really think i think the fde's do a good job? I don't have to take up anyone elses banner. i take up my own.

If someone is vehemently against drunk driving, and that is their cause all day long, and I am against spousal abuse and I like to bring that to light as #1 problem, just because I don't put drunk driving first as my cause, it doesn't mean I am for drunk driving! Do you guys get it by now?

People will accuse someone of being for drunk driving if that person doesn't give up their cause they hold close to their heart and take up someone elses as #1.

Richard, give up dolphins and take up saving the spotted owls, if you don't then you must want to see the owls wiped out. Is that fair?

That's how people portray me and I resent it. End of the FDE discussion because I can only say it 63,000 times. I have told Fudd this many, many times, and he doesn't care, and only spreads the rumors about me that I resent. Take his side and do what you want with it. It's a straw man argument, always has been, and always will be.

Travis - copy and paste two or three quotes of yours on any website that come from an attack of yours against the FDE's and I will then believe your side of this story and you will have a convert now.
People do not see the denouncing of FDE's as an endorsement of the alphabet guys. At least I don't and I have never seen such a statement from anyone on this board stating that.
Fuddj dounces both sides regularly. Chris Williams denounces both sides. I denounce all of them. You have not done that here to the best of my knowledge.
All of the people on this board denounce the FDE's and are awakening to what the alphabet guys are doing.
OK, lets see those statements of yours from the past where you denounce the FDE's. Ok??

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Travis - copy and paste two or three quotes of yours on any website that come from an attack of yours against the FDE's and I will then believe your side of this story and you will have a convert now.
People do not see the denouncing of FDE's as an endorsement of the alphabet guys. At least I don't and I have never seen such a statement from anyone on this board stating that.
Fuddj dounces both sides regularly. Chris Williams denounces both sides. I denounce all of them. You have not done that here to the best of my knowledge.
All of the people on this board denounce the FDE's and are awakening to what the alphabet guys are doing.
OK, lets see those statements of yours from the past where you denounce the FDE's. Ok??

chuck tapia keeps making it personal, calling out my name, i dont call out his, and mention him unless it is a response. He has dogged me on three separate sites now, and I have not started the confrontation with him, but he has pursued it. somehow he needs my validation of his issue to be able to go on with his life. He needs me. I don't need him. If he doesn't believe in what i believe in, i don't care. its no big deal to me, but evidently i have to believe in his crusade first and foremost, above all else, ahead of my first born or else the earth will stop rotating.

[travrosty]

Here are the Cy Young signatures for the psa and jsa certed items that went for 41000 dollars respectively and the one in pencil that is currently up at heritage, that was also up last summer but went unsold.

These two signatures of Young, unlike the rest, actually seem very similar, and its quite possible they were signed by the same hand, unfortunately in my opinion, it was not in the hand of Cy Young.

You can see the autographs kind of aimlessly skip along with weak purpose, with shallow valleys in the u and n in Young, instead of the purposeful, distinct higher valleys and peaks we usually see in authentic versions of Young's signature, as shown on Haulsofshame.com.

These both got passed by jsa and psa, but should they have?

[thekingofclout]

So, are all of you that now support Peter Nash and his website HaulsofShame.com - do you now believe that Rob Lifson is a bad guy?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

So, are all of you that now support Peter Nash and his website HaulsofShame.com - do you now believe that Rob Lifson is a bad guy?

What does one issue have to do with the other?
These are two entirely separate issues.
Rob and I have communicated on a few occasions, he has written to me about several things (not Nash) that have provided information to me. He has expressed his appreciation to me for the efforts I have made in fighting forgeries.
Rob has never mentioned Peter Nash to me.
Peter Nash and I have communicated on a few occasions. He has introduced me to someone, in law enforcement, who may prove to be a very valuable ally in the fight against forgeries.
Peter has never mentioned Rob Lifson to me.
I think someone can believe and support what Nash has put on his website and absolutely not think anything negative about Rob Lifson.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

What does one issue have to do with the other?
These are two entirely separate issues.

Bingo Richard. That's why the sign is at the end of my comment.

Now, I admit that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but that is exactly how I see this thread.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Rob and I have communicated on a few occasions, he has written to me about several things (not Nash) that have provided information to me. He has expresses his appreciation to me for the efforts I have made in fighting forgeries.
Rob has never mentioned Peter Nash to me.
Peter Nash and I have communicated on a few occasions. He has introduced me to someone, in law enforcement, who may prove to be a very valuable ally in the fight against forgeries.
Peter has never mentioned Rob Lifson to me.
I think someone can believe and support what Nash has put on his website and absolutely not think anything negative about Rob Lifson.

Well Richard. Since you added all of that after I responded to you, I now feel it necessary to explain that my original comment was a euphemism regarding how completely haywire this thread had become.

Please give Rob and Peter my best regards.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Well Richard. Since you added all of that after I responded to you, I now feel it necessary to explain that my original comment was a euphemism regarding how completely haywire this thread had become.

Please give Rob and Peter my best regards.

I don't think this thread has gone completely haywire. Just one of those threads that has gotten some of the people involved in it to become a little emotional . We have had a few of those before, haven't we?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

chuck tapia keeps making it personal, calling out my name, i dont call out his, and mention him unless it is a response. He has dogged me on three separate sites now, and I have not started the confrontation with him, but he has pursued it. somehow he needs my validation of his issue to be able to go on with his life. He needs me. I don't need him. If he doesn't believe in what i believe in, i don't care. its no big deal to me, but evidently i have to believe in his crusade first and foremost, above all else, ahead of my first born or else the earth will stop rotating.

dude, I'm a collector and I denounce forgeries PERIOD. I NEVER had a bone to pick with you and I stand by my comments. I have NEVER dodged anyone anytime or anywhere.... "On 3 separate occasions"... please now your'e making me laugh. I have never spoke bad about you. I do not have an agenda like you do. for the record. I don't need your validation for anything. This is a blog dummy.

If you need to hate on me go ahead, I'm a friggen collector and I really could give a rats ass about all this "he said, she said" crap so knock it off already. You are just showing people how narrow minded you are. I even agree with you more times than not. You apparently can't get a lot of things though your thick skull....and for sake of verification, why don't you add your name to your monniker here like everyone else does. I could care less who knows me or my name just like you do, so just stop the non sense spewing already. No wonder you've been kicked off of other blogs.

[Caseyatbat]

Anyways, on a much less personal note...Regarding the CC garbage that was pictured in this thread by Richard previously. This is something that has been going on there for years now. How long until the "mystery man" behind all of the bogus stuff is arrested by the authorities. Clearly, most of CC's garbage is signed by the exact same hand. We can sit here and blame their authenticator (CM) all day, but he is just giving his "unrespected worthless opinion". What I want to know is, why is the actual "forger" not being hunted or targeted? How much money and damage to our hobby are we going to allow him to make?

Legal authorities should have raided that place long ago, and gotten the names of their major consignors - who clearly have close personal ties with the "mystery forger". Or maybe its more obvious than we think, is it possible all of the bogus stuff is being produced "in-house"? or possibly by the blanket authenticator himself?

What makes this situation different than "Operation Bullpen"? I would think "OB" would have been a much more difficult mess for the authorities to deal with. In that scenario, the bogus stuff was being sold in many places. This stuff for the most part is all originating and being sold through one central location. Obviously the "buyers" of this stuff will try to resell it elsewhere, but not anywhere legitimate.