Peter Nash loses again.....

[barrysloate]

I've never mentioned this on the board before, but there was a point in time when I knew Peter very well and we developed a pretty good friendship. I would say this was around 1993-94. And I have to say Peter was a really interesting guy. He was just coming out of his short career as a rap star ( the shelf life of a white guy in the hip hop world apparently isn't too long), he had been offered a part in one of Spike Lee's films (he turned it down), he was an up and coming baseball historian with a really nice collection, he had this beautiful apartment in Greenwich Village where I used to visit him regularly (and he likewise came into Brooklyn and hung out in my neck of the woods), and it certainly seemed he was living the good life. Peter is a super smart person, very charismatic, and I have to admit that while I am perhaps ten years his senior, during that friendship I always looked up to him. He seemed to have achieved this very high level of success at a very young age, and as I said, his intelligence and charm were a pretty powerful combination.

But I guess things happened over the years, money problems or something, and since that time not everything has worked out. I know from my own experience doing trades and deals with him, things would often get unnecessarily complicated and sometimes spin out of control. I lost touch with Peter many years ago but I still think of him fondly.

Peter, if you are reading this, I hope things work out for you. I am mystified by many of the things I am hearing.

[novakjr]

It's nice to hear that Barry. I'll bust on the guy for his rap career, but as far as his hobby dealings, I don't know much other than what I've read. There's always two sides to every story, and I don't think we ever hear much of his sides...This might be by his own doing.

Honestly though, he may not be a bad guy. His track record, however, leads me to believe that there may be some underlying issues. My son was recently diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, it's a highly functioning form of autism...That often leads to anti-social/entitled behavior, and the "I'm always right" type attitude. I myself, show some of these behaviors. Numerous famous and brilliant people are reported to have/had Aspergers, including Bill Gates, Isaac Newton, Alfred Hitchcock, Einstein, Darwin, Jim Henson, Woody Allen, Mark Twain, Henry Ford, and Mark Zuckerberg amongst others. Is it possible that Pete might suffer this same disorder?

I believe it is possible that many of us suffer this syndrome. I could be a great explanation as to why many of us are so passionate about something that, in the ultimate order of things, is so insignificant... We use it as our anti-social escape, and have turned into our little exclusive, know it all club, especially on this board. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way though..

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

He was just coming out of his short career as a rap star the shelf life of a white guy in the hip hop world apparently isn't too long.

Then how do you explain your 20+ years as MC Sloate??



I'd like to add I grew up a huge 3rd Bass fan as a kid I'm sure I too would like or really like Pete. I have also heard and have knowledge that at one time and perhaps today there has never been a guy who knew so much and was so good at research and history of this game. Make no mistake Pete is truly an amazing hobby historian and loves this game.

It would just seem that Pete turned to the dark side if you will and the stuff he has done is inexcusable. The entire Hauls Of Shame site to me is as transparent as one can get. It’s a clear smoke screen to bring attention away from his actions which he is facing daily trust me. Sort of like it will be hard for the park service to bust your chops about a camp fire when you set the park a blaze.

It would be nice to see Pete come clean and resurrect himself but I think that is too much to wish for if I’m being honest. I think he and the situations he has created are just too far gone. That is the real Haul of Shame here sadly.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

John- white guys have enough trouble in the world of rap...much less Jewish guys. I fought an uphill battle for all those 20 years!

[HRBAKER]

John,
That may very well be some of your finest work.
Barry it appears you were a natural at the Game.

[wonkaticket]

LOL, how much does a 3 pound gold necklace Star of David go for these days anyhow?

I guess you could always bring Leon into the mix as DJ Dreidel...

Hope you're doing well Barry drop me line sometime love to catch up I know Sarno and I have been talking NYC dinnner again etc.

Cheers,

John

[novakjr]

Barry, there's more to the syndrome than can be related on tv. And I wasn't suggesting that he is a full-on prime example, but rather shows some signs. A person with Asperger's can be extremely social. And given his previous career, I suspect that he was often the life of the party, the center of attention, well respected, and often surrounded by people who just followed his every whim. The sociality isn't because a person does well in typical social situations, but rather because they're doing what they want, when they want and people cater to it, or follow his lead. The anti-social behavior comes from adversity, and the lack of comprehension on how to act when things don't go their way, because in their eyes, they are always right. Which could explain the amount of focus that he spent on Mr. Lifson, because he just couldn't let it go, and see the reality of the situation. It could also explain why he keeps ending up in these odd court situations, because a little bit of turmoil turns into an all out war. Or as you stated in your dealings "things would often get unnecessarily complicated and sometimes spin out of control".

[HRBAKER]

...or it could be as simple as he has made some very poor choices and instead of dealing with them and trying to get past them he employs his obvious skills in all matter of diversionary tactics and grudge bearing.

edit to add: father of 11 year old high functioning autistic son

[barrysloate]

Jeff- truth be told, I hate hip hop. I'm more a Beatles/Jefferson Airplane/Buffalo Springfield kind of guy. I'm still living in the 60's.

John- I've been thinking the same thing. We should try to get the old guys together, and maybe some new ones, for a NYC dinner. Let's keep that on the front burner.

David- I'm sure Asperger's is a whole lot more complicated than it is pictured on TV. I didn't mean to trivialize it. I just don't know if that is what's behind Peter's actions.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Jeff- truth be told, I hate hip hop. I'm more a Beatles/Jefferson Airplane/Buffalo Springfield kind of guy. I'm still living in the 60's.

John- I've been thinking the same thing. We should try to get the old guys together, and maybe some new ones, for a NYC dinner. Let's keep that on the front burner.

David- I'm sure Asperger's is a whole lot more complicated than it is pictured on TV. I didn't mean to trivialize it. I just don't know if that is what's behind Peter's actions.

Barry, so you're more White Rabbit than White Rapper.
I knew as much - just havin' a little fun.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Barry, so you're more White Rabbit than White Rapper.
I knew as much - just havin' a little fun.

I love White Rabbit...now that's a great song.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Jeff- truth be told, I hate hip hop. I'm more a Beatles/Jefferson Airplane/Buffalo Springfield kind of guy. I'm still living in the 60's.

John- I've been thinking the same thing. We should try to get the old guys together, and maybe some new ones, for a NYC dinner. Let's keep that on the front burner.

David- I'm sure Asperger's is a whole lot more complicated than it is pictured on TV. I didn't mean to trivialize it. I just don't know if that is what's behind Peter's actions.

No problem Barry. I didn't think you were. To be honest, while I believe he does show some of those traits, they could very well be unrelated. It could just be as simple as that he got used to always getting what he wanted, and didn't know how to handle it when it stopped.. and as Jeff stated. He tries to divert negative attention away from himself..

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

It would be nice to see Pete come clean and resurrect himself but I think that is too much to wish for if I’m being honest. I think he and the situations he has created are just too far gone. That is the real Haul of Shame here sadly.

Cheers,

John

Shelly Jaffe turned his life around...Pete Nice can do it too. It will obviously take time, restitution and probably turning himself in to whatever authority it is that has a warrant out for him. I honestly believe that if he were to do all this and still continue to root out the bad elements of this hobby he can be a real asset.

[drc]

The most common way to learn and grow is through one's mistakes. A mistake and a setback can make you a better person if you approach it as a chance to improve yourself.

Everyone makes mistakes. It's how you deal react to them that matters. If you dealt with them poorly in the past, well now's your chance to change and deal with them in better ways.


P.s., From time to time I use the line, "Everyone makes mistakes. So I've been told."

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Then how do you explain your 20+ years as MC Sloate??

DANG Barry, i had no idea you were so fly back in da day dog?

[barrysloate]

Bilko- what's funny about that picture is that there is nobody less likely to be a rap star than me. I'm the guy more likely to finish a crossword puzzle or study a chess game.