New Forensic Autograph Authentication Company

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

From their website, Service Level III Extras:

"Ink analysis, Document analysis (when possible), Chain of custody of the item, background of when the item was signed (if possible). It will also include a Letter of Authenticity, describing the item, the signature, what type of ink was used, a biography of the signer, a photograph, and GFA’s full guarantee of authenticity"

I'd be curious to know what their "chain of custody" investigation entails? Is that just asking the submitter where they got it and making phone calls back up the line? Or does it only go as far as a line on the submission form of "where did you get this?" How far back do they go with that? May be another one of those things that experience will show, but it's got me curious.

All this for $30??
Something is very different with this company but I cannot put my finger on it yet.
Forensic examiners that you cannot find on Google, investigators? for what purpose?, no ability to communicate with them, COA's showing up on a website with no ability to discern the COA number or no place to check it even if you could see the number.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

All this for $30??
Something is very different with this company but I cannot put my finger on it yet.
Forensic examiners that you cannot find on Google, investigators? for what purpose?, no ability to communicate with them, COA's showing up on a website with no ability to discern the COA number or no place to check it even if you could see the number.

Another "Forensic" authentication company. You gotta be kidding me!!!

When I first found them I was like "Holy crap!!!" Then I tried to contact them via their website, but to no avail. Then I tried to print out a "submission" form, but there's no option for that.

But yet their "authenticated" items show up on a particular auction site with blurry photographs ans serial numbers on the COAs that read "GFAA-####."

Wow!!!

[travrosty]

The verbiage doesn't matter, whether they say forensics or not, it's whether or not they are good at authenticating autographs. The bar is already set pretty low so they can't do much worse than what is already out there.

J. Spence touts his forensics credentials (mail order correspondence course), so either forensics is bad for spence and everyone, or is a credit to jsa and everyone, but not selective good for one guy and bad for another.

I see Spence didn't have flattering things to say about forensics when he participated in an autograph authentiction forum, but then he likes to say he has forensic credentials himself, so which is it? Even PSA's self-describing paragraphs say that they are trained in and use forensics too. So shame on them too I guess.

It's the result of their work that matters, we haven't seen enough of GFA work to make a determination. I couldn't endorse or not endorse them based on the work I have seen. To be fair we would have to see a quantity of their work over a good period of time.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

It's the result of their work that matters, we haven't seen enough of GFA work to make a determination.

We are watching for that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Travis writes "The verbiage doesn't matter, whether they say forensics or not, it's whether or not they are good at authenticating autographs. The bar is already set pretty low so they can't do much worse than what is already out there."

The below was certed by Todd Mueller and sold on his website. A pitiful Derek Jeter forgery. When confronted about certing the below Jeter, Mr. Mueller replies "That was obtained in person by Danny Tuliebitz. His cousin is the New York Yankee's travelling secretary." Really?

So, Travis, when you write "The bar is already set pretty low so they can't do much worse than what is already out there." you are absolutely correct. This is a great example of "the bar is already set pretty low."

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[travrosty]

you cant impugn a whole company like gfa if you havent seen quantity of their work, just becuase forensics are in the title.

The low bar is by independent third party authenticators, who offer to cert your item that you send in for money, which is the what GFA is competing against. I haven't seen your example that fits into that category.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

you cant impugn a whole company like gfa if you havent seen quantity of their work, just becuase forensics are in the title.

The low bar is by independent third party authenticators, who offer to cert your item that you send in for money. I haven't seen your example that fits into that category.

I include ANYONE who calls themselves an authenticator. That includes Mueller. He doesn't get a free pass.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Travis writes "The verbiage doesn't matter, whether they say forensics or not, it's whether or not they are good at authenticating autographs. The bar is already set pretty low so they can't do much worse than what is already out there."

The below was certed by Todd Mueller and sold on his website. A pitiful Derek Jeter forgery. When confronted about certing the below Jeter, Mr. Mueller replies "That was obtained in person by Danny Tuliebitz. His cousin is the New York Yankee's travelling secretary." Really?

So, Travis, when you write "The bar is already set pretty low so they can't do much worse than what is already out there." you are absolutely correct. This is a great example of "the bar is already set pretty low."

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While I think Todd has a great business model, this is HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM...he won't return anything despite offering completely worthless "lifetime guarantee" and will fight tooth & nail how he is so much smarter than you citing BS "providence" or stating his COA is forged??? LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOO.

He is an complete idiot and anyone buying a thing from him or listening to his gibberish are complete morons. I base my opinion when the guy went on for 3 pages on that pathetic website, Autograph New Live last year how this Mantle was real. The thread has since been deleted by Steve Koschal, the festering boil on the ass of the autograph industry who runs that site of the stupid.

Yeah right Todd, and Pete Nash has a bridge to sell you. For sake of clarification, I post this FORGED MICKEY MANTLE signed photo (yet again)as Exhibit A into this boobs stupidity. This was sold on his website last April. Why don't you explain your stupidity on "this Forum" and see how far it gets you....CRICKETS CRICKETS that's what I thought. When you admit you are wrong about this photo and refund the poor sap who bought it, I'll ease up. Until then you have ZERO CREDIBILITY and all your ventures should be treated as such.

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

All this for $30??
Something is very different with this company but I cannot put my finger on it yet.
Forensic examiners that you cannot find on Google, investigators? for what purpose?, no ability to communicate with them, COA's showing up on a website with no ability to discern the COA number or no place to check it even if you could see the number.

I think they just misspelled the name on the web site - try again using John Gorajczyk.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Karl Mattson

I think they just misspelled the name on the web site - try again using John Gorajczyk.

Great. They can't even spell their own names, and we're supposed to expect them to correctly authenticate an autograph...

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Great. They can't even spell their own names, and we're supposed to expect them to correctly authenticate an autograph...

Pretty sure the website programmers who put the site together are not the same folks doing the authentication. As someone with a weird last name, I can relate to folks misspelling it more often than not.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Pretty sure the website programmers who put the site together are not the same folks doing the authentication. As someone with a weird last name, I can relate to folks misspelling it more often than not.

I was just joking. But yes, I can relate to the misspellings and mispronunciations as well..

[travrosty]

Well, he's a dealer that backs up his own items. That would make any dealer who issues their own coa an authenticator. Every booth at the national has an authenticator behind the desk. There are 600 authenticators at the national.

Here's my definition: An authenticator is an authenticator.


i would have to see a letter of rejection from abc, or xyz on that ballplayers signature as i guess only those companies are qualified to tell people whose sigantures are real and who are not?

Our mutual friend is the only one with the expertise to call out the al ruddy/al pacino mistake on pawn stars, even though many people on the blogs said "what a wonderful job mr. wonderful did on the authentication."

so our mutual friend mr. mueller is terrible and the company who asked him to join, to which he said 'no' to many times is good. i finally got it now.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Well, he's a dealer that backs up his own items. That would make any dealer who issues their own coa an authenticator. Every booth at the national has an authenticator behind the desk. There are 600 authenticators at the national.

Here's my definition: An authenticator is an authenticator.


i would have to see a letter of rejection from abc, or xyz on that ballplayers signature as i guess only those companies are qualified to tell people whose sigantures are real and who are not?

Our mutual friend is the only one with the expertise to call out the al ruddy/al pacino mistake on pawn stars, even though many people on the blogs said "what a wonderful job mr. wonderful did on the authentication."

so our mutual friend mr. mueller is terrible and the company who asked him to join, to which he said 'no' to many times is good. i finally got it now.

First of all, Mueller is not a friend of mine.

So your friend Mueller called out the Al Ruddy/Al Pacino mistake on the Pawn Stars show. Wow, does that make him some kind of hero?

But yet I didn't hear a peep from Mueller about the Drew Max and the FDR Letter To Clergy joke. Nor did I hear Mueller call out Drew Max and that Bram Stoker mess on the Pawn Stars.

You're right, Travis, I finally got it now. It's called a double-standard. I got it.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Karl Mattson

I think they just misspelled the name on the web site - try again using John Gorajczyk.

You are correct Karl , that spelling does bring up several pages about him.
Unusual in that Google usually corrects spelling errors but did not in his case.
Sorry to GFA for that, but we are still watching.