Cy Young Authentication Help

[gashouse34]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Nice. Kinda like "She deserved it, dressed like that." There's nothing quite like blaming the victim.

Sorry you got burned on that one, AzMot, but with the rock-solid proof of forgery (proof, rather than opinion), perhaps you can get your money back.
And, for future reference, there are plenty of people here who are happy to help you learn, and won't belittle you for making a mistake.

100% agree with you David.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by gashousegang_1

100% agree with you David.

1,000% agree - let's not jump on someone with blame, when they came looking for some assistance....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by scooter729

1,000% agree - let's not jump on someone with blame, when they came looking for some assistance....

He just needs advice that will help the next time. I've stated this before and never gotten a single response here, but I'll say it again: Before buying a signed vintage item, study as many examples of the person's signature as possible. Do this YOURSELF - don't rely on an authenticator.

If he had done this, he would have seen that on the Cy Young signatures that seem to have the most likelihood of being authentic, Cy Young almost always brings the pen back up at an acute angle from the bottom of the letters in 'Young' - on this ball, he loops slightly to the right before bring his pen up. Perhaps this in itself is not enough to judge the ball to be a forgery, but it's enough for me personally to avoid it.

The other thing - if he wasn't confident enough in his own ability to judge the authenticity of a signature, he shouldn't have bid. I wouldn't have touched this ball, purely because the signature looked too fresh. I'm sure there are lots of fresh-looking sigs out there, but you might as well go for something that looks like it has a more realistic chance of being authentic.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm sure there are lots of fresh-looking sigs out there

Sure are Scott, anyone can see plenty every month at the Roaches

http://www.myccsa.com/Default.aspx

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Sure are Scott, anyone can see plenty every month at the Roaches

http://www.myccsa.com/Default.aspx

Greg, this just drives me crazy every time I read one of these 'forged signature' threads. Don't get me wrong, I love reading them. But I don't understand how all the experts on this board can't tell when a signature is obviously a fake, just from looking at it. This one is not close - it's obviously fake (and I say this a little hesitantly, because some of my friends think it looks close to real and I honestly don't want to insult people here).

I've said the same thing about id'ing photos - very few in the hobby will actually use their eyeballs to identify anything. They will look at almost everything else first, starting with COA's and LOA's. It's baffling to me. It's sad that the guy purchased it to begin with, but not because he didn't come here first and ask questions. It's much simpler than that: google 'Cy Young signature', images, and see what comes up. It won't take long to realize this is a fake. It's not like this is a Mel Ott.

[CMIZ5290]

I can tell you that it looks very close to the 1953 postcard i had, and it passed psa/jsa. For whatever that's worth.....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I can tell you that it looks very close to the 1953 postcard i had, and it passed psa/jsa. For whatever that's worth.....

Kevin, I'd love to see an image of that signature, or any others that passed a reputable authenticator and look like this one.