The BCCG problem

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I kind of like that place but it is darn hard to get into around where I live

They almost know us by name at our two closes Olive Gardens. It is my daughter's and wife's favorite place to eat. It is close to the top for me.

As for Beckett changing the BCCG grading system after so many years. Yes, they could do it. I personally think it would be stupid of them to change anything. I just don't look at BCCG....but you know what, in the last few years I probably haven't seen 1, that's right 1, card I even care about in those holders. It's an non-issue. best regards

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by Leon

They almost know us by name at our two closes Olive Gardens. It is my daughter's and wife's favorite place to eat. It is close to the top for me.

As for Beckett changing the BCCG grading system after so many years. Yes, they could do it. I personally think it would be stupid of them to change anything. I just don't look at BCCG....but you know what, in the last few years I probably haven't seen 1, that's right 1, card I even care about in those holders. It's an non-issue. best regards

Leon,
I have the utmost respect for you and what you have done with this board. It's a tremendous resource for all collectors and I can't even imagine the amount of work that goes into moderating these threads and playing referee when they devolve into infantile pissing matches, accusations and name-calling like this one. The job you do is nothing short of remarkable. However, the one thing I would say in regards to your comment is that yes, the BCCG holders are indeed a non-issue on the pre-war side, as those collectors are far too savvy to ever be duped by such a scheme. However, on the post-war side it is a problem, which is why I posted it in the post-war forum. One simple search of "BCCG" on eBay today turns up 10,291 hits, with almost all of them in the post-war category and many of them targeting the big-name rookie cards like Jordan, Ryan, Gretzky and Montana, where a 2 or 3 difference in grade means hundreds of dollars.
Regards,
Rob

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

Leon,
I have the utmost respect for you and what you have done with this board. It's a tremendous resource for all collectors and I can't even imagine the amount of work that goes into moderating these threads and playing referee when they devolve into infantile pissing matches, accusations and name-calling like this one. The job you do is nothing short of remarkable. However, the one thing I would say in regards to your comment is that yes, the BCCG holders are indeed a non-issue on the pre-war side, as those collectors are far too savvy to ever be duped by such a scheme. However, on the post-war side it is a problem, which is why I posted it in the post-war forum. One simple search of "BCCG" on eBay today turns up 10,291 hits, with almost all of them in the post-war category and many of them targeting the big-name rookie cards like Jordan, Ryan, Gretzky and Montana, where a 2 or 3 difference in grade means hundreds of dollars.
Regards,
Rob

Thanks for the kind words...And I will concede your points about this being mainly a post war card issue. I also will concede that at the time of the scale being made, it (almost assuredly) had to do with making more money. Why else would they do it? I get it guys. Believe me, my friends over there and myself wish that scale didn't exist. But it does and will continue as it's a profitable business model for them. No where in any of my comments will you see that I said it is good for the hobby. I have said, and remain saying, it is good for them in the way of pure business. So, if I were the one having to pay my bills over there, I would be hesitant to change what is working (in the way of profit). I hope my realistic business approach is taken the way it is meant to be. If I ran the company I would be hesitant to change anything making me good profits. Has anyone seen how "print" magazines are doing nowadays? That was Beckett's bread and butter for decades. With that being the case, my guess is they are just happy to make money. (again, a business-centric view)

[theseeker]

The rest of the world (including Beckett's) uses scales that start at 1. There is only one clear, logical reason for Beckett's low-end service to come along and start at 5-- a shady business arrangement that enables deceptive sellers to inflate card values through a legitimate grading company that decided to lower it's standards for just this one special service.

A generation ago, this hobby had lots of newbie child and casual collectors that were largely driven away by the greedy overkill of manufacturer's and dealers. Rather than working to get back some of the lost revenue Beckett's short-sighted business model is to squeze the last drop of juice out of those that remain. As those Guiness guys used to say "brilliant."

As for all those complaining.......remove those collectors from todays hobby and all that would remain would be smug, sophisticates.