Mickey Mantle ball

travrosty · #1 03-17-2012, 01:09 AM

diversions are their only tactic. they cant get traction on a (yawn) issue that they have beat into the ground so they bring up someone else.

They didn't get heritage to do the right thing, I did, my friends did, at personal cost to boot.

They defended heritage and the authentication companies, when even heritage couldn't defend it anymore and gave in to what the collecting public really wants, truth in advertising.

Meanwhile, all collectors in the hobby will benefit by heritage changing their ways and stop claiming authentication when there was none.

haulsofshame features a purported copy of a ty cobb cut encapsulated by you know who and we are suppose to believe a 10 dollar hank aaron that is backed by a refund guarantee or a 20 dollar morales mickey mantle is suppose to get us excited.

when 1300 dollar unguaranteed ty cobbs are out there with the certification that is suppose to be the most credible and bring in the most money on the online auction sites, the traditional auctions, and the card shows.

keep showing the small stuff and let's let the big stuff with the most credible certs (in the eyes of collecting public) slide by when the xerox copies are purportedly making the rounds.

I ask the same question they ask. Just how are they authenticating these items over there at encapsulation central? I know they are suppose to be using exemplars, but when the exemplar matches the specimen in question EXACTLY, that is a problem, isn't it?

Their answer or rebuttal to all of this? - Mueller of course.

I personally like this hank aaron much better

Fuddjcal · #2 03-17-2012, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

diversions are their only tactic. they cant get traction on a (yawn) issue that they have beat into the ground so they bring up someone else.

They didn't get heritage to do the right thing, I did, my friends did, at personal cost to boot.

They defended heritage and the authentication companies, when even heritage couldn't defend it anymore and gave in to what the collecting public really wants, truth in advertising.

Meanwhile, all collectors in the hobby will benefit by heritage changing their ways and stop claiming authentication when there was none.

haulsofshame features a purported copy of a ty cobb cut encapsulated by you know who and we are suppose to believe a 10 dollar hank aaron that is backed by a refund guarantee or a 20 dollar morales mickey mantle is suppose to get us excited.

when 1300 dollar unguaranteed ty cobbs are out there with the certification that is suppose to be the most credible and bring in the most money on the online auction sites, the traditional auctions, and the card shows.

keep showing the small stuff and let's let the big stuff with the most credible certs (in the eyes of collecting public) slide by when the xerox copies are purportedly making the rounds.

I ask the same question they ask. Just how are they authenticating these items over there at encapsulation central? I know they are suppose to be using exemplars, but when the exemplar matches the specimen in question EXACTLY, that is a problem, isn't it?

Their answer or rebuttal to all of this? - Mueller of course.

I personally like this hank aaron much better

I really am starting to find itt laughable how anagonistic you are...Nobody is sticking up for third party??? Talk about being a sensitive little girl.

HERE's THE IRONIC PART OF THIS PSA WILLIE MAYS/Hank Aaron debacle CARD TRAVIS>>>><>

I AM THE ONE who sent this great example of PSA blundering stupid mistake to Steve Kocshal and AUTOGRAPH alert about 4- 5 years ago...LOLOLOLOL

put that in your pipe and smoke it Analogy Boy!!!!!

FUDD calls them likes he sees them, so stop with your petty stupid games already.

can we just stop at Christpher Moral less is a fraudulant criminal disgusting human being and PSA/JSA are incompetent boobs sometimes????

RichardSimon · #3 03-18-2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

keep showing the small stuff and let's let the big stuff with the most credible certs (in the eyes of collecting public) slide by

Travis you know for the most part I agree with you regarding the alphabet boys but I recently received four baseballs to examine. Ruth-Gehrig, Mathewson ss, 1955 Dodgers and a Ruth-Gehrig-Lazzeri-Huggins. The client paid $30,000 for these four balls.
They were all decorated with shiny stickers, on each ball there was one from the seller and two from noted FDE's. All IMHO were not authentic. I checked out one of the baseballs with Brandon and he laughed at the thought that Ruth and Gehrig could have been around to sign such a modern ball.
Now the guy is out 30 grand and asking me how can he get his money back? This was a prime example of the FDE's costing someone serious money. And the sellers website is loaded with similiar examples of items priced in the thousands and all with FDE COA's.
So it is not just small stuff when we talk about who is bad here.
FDE COA's don't always equate to "small stuff."

David Atkatz · #4 03-18-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Travis you know for the most part I agree with you regarding the alphabet boys but I recently received four baseballs to examine. Ruth-Gehrig, Mathewson ss, 1955 Dodgers and a Ruth-Gehrig-Lazzeri-Huggins. The client paid $30,000 for these four balls.

Gee. He paid $30k for four baseballs easily worth $100k++ if genuine. And he's surprised they're not. (Not to mention he has you look at them after he's bought them.)

A fool and his money...

travrosty · #5 03-18-2012, 04:43 PM

richard,

I am sorry if that guy got burned. I will say that i have chosen my segment of the hobby that i feel needs reformed, others have chosen theirs, I never said they were the same category, and they are not the same category.

there are 9 snow white ruth balls coming up in a big auction, almost all said they were signed in 1948. all with certs from the big 2. they will go for a huge amount. there seems to be no end to these balls that have the golden ticket to be sold at the biggest online auction or the biggest auction house in the land.

the guy who got burned for 30 grand could have gotten those balls for less than 5 grand if he would have shopped around and bought them directly from you know who auctions with the same you know who cert.

but the big 2 certs are the same high price no matter where you go.

I know a guy who wants a 2 thousand dollar autograph, he isnt willing to pay more than 500 dollars for one. I told him you will either not be able to get one, or you will buy a fake.

but the way the big certs work with some of these autograph, you can spend a ton of money and might still end up with a fake. We all know where buying some speakers out of the back of some guys van in the parking lot will get you.

but if you go into the high end store, and they sell you the good stuff, you would expect it to work and be the real deal.

I focus on one aspect, others focus on other aspects, they are not the same crusade at all. totally different. why people ask me (and demand me) to join theirs when i don't need them or ask them to join mine is beyond me. They can go buy tutti frutti ice cream and i will buy pistachio and we can all be happy.

travrosty · #6 03-18-2012, 05:27 PM

Here is a Cobb cut that was just recently certed.

Now the same couple of guys would come on here and say "what a piece of junk" if it had a you know who cert sold through the bottom basement auction house they all like to make fun of.

But guess what? It has a JSA cert.

So now it's NOT a piece of junk I suppose?

A thick , non-detailed "cut". Where are the exemplars?

mighty bombjack · #7 03-18-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

why people ask me (and demand me) to join theirs when i don't need them or ask them to join mine is beyond me

Really? You have not been asking anyone here to "join your crusade"? What then is the purpose of your anti-alphabet postings?

GrayGhost · #8 03-18-2012, 10:32 PM

That Cobb is garbage. Man, this gets worse and worse every day. if reliance on Certs is THAT impt, be it from the Alphabets fde's or anyone. is there any end in sight for this?

travrosty · #9 03-18-2012, 10:39 PM

it does get worse all the time. I always think it couldnt get any worse, then it does. wheres the exemplars for this thick, sloppy sig with no details?

i just tell the truth as it is, it is too hot for some, but i cant help that.

travrosty · #10 03-18-2012, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Really? You have not been asking anyone here to "join your crusade"? What then is the purpose of your anti-alphabet postings?

to inform, they can join me or not, but i don't demand or require they do like others have been requiring me to denounce this or speak out against that, or say this and that. I leave disinterested people alone when it comes to what i am concerned about the most, but there are a few who cannot and will not when it comes to what they are concerned about the most. They require loyalty oaths and of course I do not.

Bilko G · #11 03-19-2012, 04:23 AM

The Cobb is interesting and just certified a week ago or so. Im always curious were all these old vintage autographs keep popping up from and have never been certified in the past?

Other than the obvious, i guess there is a ton of really old autograph collections out there that have never seen the light of day??

You would have to think that one day most all authentic, original, vintage and pre war autos will all be certified or nearly certified that very rarely would that many more authentic autos be popping up that haven't already been seen by a 3rd party authenticator.

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