The Goodwin Plank and Magie are TRIMMED!

[bosoxfan]

I know very little about the history of the Plank card. This will probably come across a little ignorant which is the case, but maybe from a different perspective.

Yes, sometimes a card will get by a TPG that has been trimmed, altered whatever.
Assuming, the grader at SCG knows the history of this Plank card, wouldn't they go out of their way to be absolutely, positively certain. To have unequivocal proof that the card is factory cut. And because of this 1 of a kind situation, feel it necessary put out a statement. Just sayin

Rich

[ullmandds]

personally...i'd take the opinion of this board on whether a card is altered...over any grader anyday of my life!!!!!

[bosoxfan]

I don't doubt that at all and you're probably right, but the grader, head grader in this case, is the only one to have had card in hand.
Do you think that some graders are inept or is it possible something else is going on?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bosoxfan

I know very little about the history of the Plank card. This will probably come across a little ignorant which is the case, but maybe from a different perspective.

Yes, sometimes a card will get by a TPG that has been trimmed, altered whatever.
Assuming, the grader at SCG knows the history of this Plank card, wouldn't they go out of their way to be absolutely, positively certain. To have unequivocal proof that the card is factory cut. And because of this 1 of a kind situation, feel it necessary put out a statement. Just sayin

Rich

What is unequivocal proof in this context? There are card doctors who certainly can mimic a factory cut, how can anyone say with 100 percent certainty it's original?

[bosoxfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What is unequivocal proof in this context? There are card doctors who certainly can mimic a factory cut, how can anyone say with 100 percent certainty it's original?

Again, I agree,

but if a card doctor can fool a grader who has the card under a microscope, how come he can't fool experienced collectors looking at a scan?

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What is unequivocal proof in this context? There are card doctors who certainly can mimic a factory cut, how can anyone say with 100 percent certainty it's original?

Theoretically the card could be factory cut, as JimB insightfully discusses. However, because of the likely ability of card doctors to imitate a factory cut, I think that in the absence of pedigree establishing that the card was in fact pulled from a Piedmont pack (or brought home by a Piedmont employee after the card was factory cut), I don't see how one could establish the requisite certainty to warrant a numerical grade. Going forward it will probably serve the grading companies well to know current hobby thinking when grading cards such as this that are not believed to have had a normal distribution. While I am only speculating as to what SGC knew when they graded this Plank, my guess is that had they known what has been revealed in this thread about Piedmont 150 Planks, they would not have given the card a numerical grade.

EDITED TO ADD that it will be interesting to see how the market prices this card. Will it sell for what an "authentic" would sell for, or will the slab dictate the price regardless of the correctness of the grade?

[ullmandds]

If any of the major grading companies aren't aware of the p150 plank/wagner phenomena...then they're not doing their job very well?!

[GasHouseGang]

I admit I don't even collect this set and I can't tell if this card is trimmed or not, but did anyone notice the variation on this card? Look at the back, there is an extra squiggle after the "e" in the word The. Take a look, none of the other Planks shown have it...

[atx840]

John, I couldn't find this one on your list, SC350. Auction

[wonkaticket]

Thanks Chris, I'll look that over to make sure it's not in another companies holder as a lot were crossed back and forth. Example my Plank has hit two once in PSa now in SGC.

Thanks for the pic and link.

Cheers,

John

[Peter_Spaeth]

Corey SGC did know. According to Goodwin's ad, SGC told Goodwin at first that the card was hand cut and could not have been factory cut.

“When learning Bill Goodwin had a T206 Piedmont Plank, we clearly informed him that the card had to be hand-cut from a scrapper sheet and similar to the other handful that exist, would receive an “Authentic” assessment. Only ironclad circumstances relating to no evidence of trimming, whatsoever, could possibly enable us to encapsulate the card with a numerical grade. After scouring the card for what appeared to be an infinite amount of time, our unwavering opinion was to assign the current SGC 70/5.5 grade since not a shred of evidence relating to trimming exists under our finest magnification process. We stand by this card’s factory cut origin and vouch with 100% certainty that it was not hand-cut”.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Corey SGC did know. According to Goodwin's ad, SGC told Goodwin at first that the card was hand cut and could not have been factory cut.

“When learning Bill Goodwin had a T206 Piedmont Plank, we clearly informed him that the card had to be hand-cut from a scrapper sheet and similar to the other handful that exist, would receive an “Authentic” assessment. Only ironclad circumstances relating to no evidence of trimming, whatsoever, could possibly enable us to encapsulate the card with a numerical grade. After scouring the card for what appeared to be an infinite amount of time, our unwavering opinion was to assign the current SGC 70/5.5 grade since not a shred of evidence relating to trimming exists under our finest magnification process. We stand by this card’s factory cut origin and vouch with 100% certainty that it was not hand-cut”.

Well obviously I stand corrected. Guess I should have read the auction descripton. I'm a bit amazed they gave it a grade, regardless what their inspection showed. I know for a fact SGC graded certain Lionel Carter cards that he personally pulled from packs as Authentics for being undersized even though nobody reasonably thought Lionel Carter trimmed his cards. So if the normal-looking borders on those cards couldn't save them from an Authentic grade, it seems inconsistent that normal-looking borders on this Plank would suffice to give it a numerical grade.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Corey SGC did know. According to Goodwin's ad, SGC told Goodwin at first that the card was hand cut and could not have been factory cut.

“When learning Bill Goodwin had a T206 Piedmont Plank, we clearly informed him that the card had to be hand-cut from a scrapper sheet and similar to the other handful that exist, would receive an “Authentic” assessment. Only ironclad circumstances relating to no evidence of trimming, whatsoever, could possibly enable us to encapsulate the card with a numerical grade. After scouring the card for what appeared to be an infinite amount of time, our unwavering opinion was to assign the current SGC 70/5.5 grade since not a shred of evidence relating to trimming exists under our finest magnification process. We stand by this card’s factory cut origin and vouch with 100% certainty that it was not hand-cut”.

I read that as them saying it could only get an A before even seing it based on all other piedmont Planks being hand cut. But after lots of inspection finding out that it did not appear handcut.

Steve Birmingham

[danmckee]

Based on that bottom edge, they should have stuck with their decision before they saw it then. They would have been more accurate.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Based on that bottom edge, they should have stuck with their decision before they saw it then. They would have been more accurate.

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