The Goodwin Plank and Magie are TRIMMED!

[Runscott]

For those who are sure it is trimmed:

SGC is standing behind their grading of this card as much as is humanly possible. So if you are sure it is trimmed, SGC must also realize that. Given that scenario, why would they stick their necks out like that? To date, they have allowed PSA to stand alone on a pedestal with their Wagner 8 debacle. Why would SGC take a chance at climbing up (down?) on that pedestal with them?

Just curious what your thoughts are.

[ullmandds]

Not that I am 100% convinced that it is trimmed...nor do I really care as it's not a card I can afford...BUT...has PSA ever really been punished...or taken any kind of hit in any way as a result of their many many bungled grades?

The answer is...NO!!!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Does anyone here think the Green Cobb is legit?

[CMIZ5290]

Peter is absolutely right! Thank god someone finally said that. I am for sure not going to be a buyer for the plank, way out of my league, so life goes on....the one that i am interested in is the sgc 84 joe doyle.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Does anyone here think the Green Cobb is legit?

100% legit and authentic.

There isn't a soul in the hobby that will state that Green Cobb warrants a numerical grade.

But what does that Green Cobb have to do with anything anyway????

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

For those who are sure it is trimmed:

SGC is standing behind their grading of this card as much as is humanly possible. So if you are sure it is trimmed, SGC must also realize that. Given that scenario, why would they stick their necks out like that? To date, they have allowed PSA to stand alone on a pedestal with their Wagner 8 debacle. Why would SGC take a chance at climbing up (down?) on that pedestal with them?

Just curious what your thoughts are.

Scott

I recall very well that approx. 12 years ago SGC...."was standing behind their grading"....of the T206 Matty (portrait) card with the Red HINDU back, despite the fact
that SGC was told it was an impossible front/back combo....and therefore, a FAKE.

Subsequently, SGC relented and removed this "re-fronted" Matty card from circulation.


Yes, I'm one of those who is very skeptical of this PIEDMONT Plank having been an original factory cut T206.


TED Z

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Scott

I recall very well that approx. 12 years ago SGC...."was standing behind their grading"....of the T206 Matty (portrait) card with the Red HINDU back, despite the fact
that SGC was told it was an impossible front/back combo....and therefore, a FAKE.

Subsequently, SGC relented and removed this "re-fronted" Matty card from circulation.


Yes, I'm one of those who is very skeptical of this PIEDMONT Plank having been an original factory cut T206.


TED Z

Ted, thanks for responding, but this is bigger, even though a mistake in this case would be much more acceptable (103-yr old hand-cut partially disguised via ravages of time, as opposed to modern re-backing). Evidence of the enormity of this Plank decision (at least in the minds of SGC) is their additional explanation.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ted, thanks for responding, but this is bigger, even though a mistake in this case would be much more acceptable (103-yr old hand-cut partially disguised via ravages of time, as opposed to modern re-backing). Evidence of the enormity of this Plank decision (at least in the minds of SGC) is their additional explanation.

Scott

Yes, this PIEDMONT Plank is of greater significance than the Matty example I gave. But, my point is not with respect to this Plank vs that Matty. It is that SGC in both
cases staked their reputation on the integity of their grading of these cards. And, with the former situation, SGC eventually had to "eat crow".

Only time will tell if this Plank stands as is, or will history repeat.


TED Z

[theuclakid]

Ted, I hear what you and others are saying about being skeptical with regard to the Plank...but if we cant trust them to at least get the authenticity right (no matter how difficult that is), why is anyone "taking chances" grading with them? I still say, since no one can see the whole card out of the holder, to see if the card has been rebacked or if the edges are original, then you either have to trust them or dont buy cards of this nature....yes I know I am stating the obvious here...Bruce Perry

[frankbmd]

If I was going to start a packaging company and knew that 0% of the population would want my product, then I would go broke.

If I was going to start a packaging company and knew that 100% of the population would want my product, then I would package each item once.

But if I was going to start a packaging company and knew that 50% of the population would want my product and 50% wouldn't want it, and if I knew there was a resale market for what I was packaging, and if I made the packaging in such a way that it could be removed so that I could repackage the same item time and time again, I would be far better off in the long run.

Just a thought hopefully not too far off topic.

[jerrys]

T206Plank.jpg

[FrankWakefield]

Travis, that is a great Cobb holder!!! I wonder what it'll book for in 5 years.

Scott, Nice Matty. He'll fit much better in a 15 pocket sheet that way.

[slidekellyslide]

I do not collect graded cards and don't even pay much attention to that side of the hobby, but can someone show me another card with a bottom edge like that with half rounded corners that did not get an Authentic grade?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I do not collect graded cards and don't even pay much attention to that side of the hobby, but can someone show me another card with a bottom edge like that with half rounded corners that did not get an Authentic grade?

I have a few, none in TPG holders I'm pretty sure, but I'm very confident all of them would grade if I bothered. This Phelps has a lower right corner that's similar. The diamond cut makes it look like less of a sharp transition from edge to corner than it actually is. And I'm positive it's not trimmed.


It's not in a holder because well, it's obviously a solid G grade. And a holder won't change that or make it clearer to someone.

I'd want to see the Plank in hand before I'd be willing to committ to trimmed/not trimmed. I do however have a problem with the Plank getting a 70. Based on the grades the cards I've sent in have recieved. I think 50, maybe 60 on a good day.

The Cobb - I had a bit of a look just now at the scan, and using my less than totally scientific method (Holding a straightedge up to the flat monitor) That top left corner isn't anywhere near as bad as it looks. While it looks truly awful the difference between the corner and the rest of the top edge is only a pixel or two. So call that another one I'd have to have in hand to feel sure calling it a mistake.

I wish I had the money for either of them.

Steve Birmingham

[MikeU]

Originally Posted by Runscott

To date, they have allowed PSA to stand alone on a pedestal with their Wagner 8 debacle. Why would SGC take a chance at climbing up (down?)

To the masses, the Wagner is not a debacle, it is the pinnacle of the hobby, the lead in marketing and a 1 of 1 that can not be dethroned.

Can the Plank be the only other $1M+ card in the hobby? Sounds like a climb up.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by MikeU

To the masses, the Wagner is not a debacle, it is the pinnacle of the hobby, the lead in marketing and a 1 of 1 that can not be dethroned.

Can the Plank be the only other $1M+ card in the hobby? Sounds like a climb up.

Big difference between the two, as many of us have stated several times already: The Wagner was known to be trimmed when slabbed; SGC believes the Plank is factory-cut plus, there isn't a Plank in existence that will compare to a NM Wagner. The Wagner stands alone.

Every collector on this board completely understands that we, the informed, are the minority when it comes to card opinions. Why else would the Cincinnati duo get so much airplay when to us they are obviously scammers? But if you believe the author of 'The Card', even most of the prior owners of the Wagner realized it was trimmed. Would anyone in their right mind buy such a card without doing just a little bit of research?

Okay, I repeated myself because you quoted me , but I'm done with this subject - we're all just preaching to the choir at this point.

[jp1216]

OT - but WOW. Just received the Goodwin catalog in the mail yesterday!!! Beautiful for those T206 collectors! Better than the 'T206 Collection' book IMHO. Every (authentic) card - in order - displayed in SGC holders with info on each card. Love it....