The Goodwin Plank and Magie are TRIMMED!

freakhappy · #1 03-22-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by danmckee

Bottom may be ok Scott, maybe top got hacked down funky as it looks like it should be significantly larger all of the way across.

Maybe Ted Z or Jim Rivera or Tim Cathey the T206 experts could chime in here but I don't think what you are showing can happen in the factory with what we know of the cutting process?

dan

Dan, great thread...

I have one point to make in this huge debate. You state above that you don't think what is showing can happen in the factory with what we know of the cutting process.

The big point is that you are only drawing assumptions about the cut and not known facts. We have never had access to the factory that actually separated these cards, so how can we ever be sure about Plank, Cobb and Magie?

Not trying to stir the pot, just thought I'd ask

mike.ca.ve

CMIZ5290 · #2 03-22-2012, 02:28 PM

I would like to hear opinions about the sgc 84 joe doyle...that's the one i have a genuine interest in.

danmckee · #3 03-22-2012, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Dan, great thread...

I have one point to make in this huge debate. You state above that you don't think what is showing can happen in the factory with what we know of the cutting process.

The big point is that you are only drawing assumptions about the cut and not known facts. We have never had access to the factory that actually separated these cards, so how can we ever be sure about Plank, Cobb and Magie?

Not trying to stir the pot, just thought I'd ask

mike.ca.ve

Hi Mike and thanks for posting.

Yes you are correct, I don't know any of this for certain. I do know that handling tobacco cards for years and buying many raw collections that a legit angle cut has always had the opposite angle cut on the other border.

That is why I was hoping Jim R or Tim C or Ted Z could comment on what they know of the cutting practice. I may be mistaking but I thought 1 or all of them did some research on that part. Tim C maybe?

thanks again for the interesting comments
dan

Runscott · #4 03-22-2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee

Hi Mike and thanks for posting.

Yes you are correct, I don't know any of this for certain. I do know that handling tobacco cards for years and buying many raw collections that a legit angle cut has always had the opposite angle cut on the other border.

That is why I was hoping Jim R or Tim C or Ted Z could comment on what they know of the cutting practice. I may be mistaking but I thought 1 or all of them did some research on that part. Tim C maybe?

thanks again for the interesting comments
dan

Dan, I think Steve Birmingham is our man. Theories are great, but having someone who's handled the machinery and studied the history of it, is even better.

martyp · #5 03-23-2012, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by danmckee

Hi Mike and thanks for posting.

Yes you are correct, I don't know any of this for certain. I do know that handling tobacco cards for years and buying many raw collections that a legit angle cut has always had the opposite angle cut on the other border.

That is why I was hoping Jim R or Tim C or Ted Z could comment on what they know of the cutting practice. I may be mistaking but I thought 1 or all of them did some research on that part. Tim C maybe?

thanks again for the interesting comments
dan

Dan, you got me thinking about how Mike's question and your comment about the other border. What if this card was the bottom card on the sheet and all the cuttins was from the top down. Were there bottom borders on the sheets that had to be cut off like the Topps cards or did the bottom edge of the sheet become the bottom edge of the card?
Marty

FrankWakefield · #6 03-23-2012, 08:32 AM

"It's amazing how much better these old cards look without any plastic in the way." Sounds to me like Scott has his eyes open, looking at cards, instead of looking at slip numbers. A few years ago I started saving those little slips. Maybe one day some collectors will zero in on the slips, and forgo the cards that some of us collect.

Exhibitman · #7 03-23-2012, 08:56 AM

Dan: I don't know about the Cobb; I haven't seen it in person. I am not comfortable definitively opining on a card from a scan in a slab.

Chris: by "crap" I meant from a quality control standpoint, my point in context being that we've all seen T206s that were so badly miscut or misprinted that they can only be viewed as failures of quality control, and if those got out why is it impossible to conceive of a properly printed P150 Plank getting out.

As for a non-parallel cut, it could happen if the sheet slipped in the cutter, depending on the cutting device used. I have a number of Topps cards that are not quite parallelograms in shape.

travrosty · #8 03-23-2012, 09:43 AM

Eventually people will collect the holders, and the cards won't be inside.

It will be like gold, they will be in an off-site location, and the holders with the grade can be proudly and prominently displayed in people's homes, but with no cards in the holders.

It will be just a receipt of ownership per se that you own the card and the card is stored somewhere else for you, in a central repository. But the holder with the name of the card and grade on it will make one's chest swell with pride, because that's what matters.

People will say, "Did you see my latest acquisition? Isn't it a beaut? Cobb holder - bat off shoulder.

Runscott · #9 03-23-2012, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

"It's amazing how much better these old cards look without any plastic in the way." Sounds to me like Scott has his eyes open, looking at cards, instead of looking at slip numbers. A few years ago I started saving those little slips. Maybe one day some collectors will zero in on the slips, and forgo the cards that some of us collect.

I always de-slab the cards I 'think' are a permanent part of the collection, but save the slips, just in case. I find that buying a beauty like this Matty in a 1.5 holder, then de-slabbing, is quite a bargain. They sold me the slip, I bought the card

steve B · #10 03-23-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by martyp

Dan, you got me thinking about how Mike's question and your comment about the other border. What if this card was the bottom card on the sheet and all the cuttins was from the top down. Were there bottom borders on the sheets that had to be cut off like the Topps cards or did the bottom edge of the sheet become the bottom edge of the card?
Marty

Yes, the sheet would have had a margin on all 4 sides.

Steve B

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