HOF RC Boxing List - WTB and looking for suggestions

miklia · #1 03-24-2012, 01:33 AM

ok, sorry UTC (both), but you're out.

yes, desirability is important. i'll note both cards. too bad i just bought a 'sporting events and stars' Louis, hehe.

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #2 03-24-2012, 01:37 AM

I wouldn't feel bad about it. They're both '35 issues and I, for one, am very happy with my Events & Stars card. But if we're making the grand daddy list the Sporting Celebrities is definitely the one to own. Still looking for mine.

miklia · #3 03-24-2012, 01:38 AM

I started with the Heavyweight champions list, and have been adding from there with 'key' cards and 'key' boxers with help. Any additional suggestions would be much appreciated, as I am the first to admit that my knowledge of 'golden age' boxing is weak. Want to try to cap this list at maybe 40-50 tops.

miklia · #4 03-24-2012, 01:42 AM

Yeah, I'll keep it either way, as I like the pose and the card looks great in hand. Is there also a big price premium for the Sporting Celebrities versions as well I suppose?

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #5 03-24-2012, 01:45 AM

That's tough. I admire your effort as I wouldn't know where to begin either. Doing just 50 only opens the door for fighters that should/shouldn't be included. If we're going to do it I say we do all the IBHOF inductees, but I'm just someone that's making 12 posts instead of organizing my thoughts and creating one big one.

Smiley face.

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #6 03-24-2012, 01:48 AM

There is a significant price increase for the SC as opposed to the SE&S. I would gladly pay 3x for the Sporting Celebrities what I paid for my Sporting Events & Stars. However, I think the value is even greater than that (possibly 5x). It's also a case of "find it somewhere else." I've seen one for sale in the past few years and it's still on ebay with a very high BIN.

miklia · #7 03-24-2012, 01:54 AM

hehe, yeah I had thought about starting there as well, but decided against it for a couple of reasons:

1) It's a big list. Hoping to keep this one a bit smaller (i.e. manageable) and limited to the iconic fighters.

2) There's already a PSA set reg for the IBHOF list, but I dislike it as you can include any card from an inductee to 'complete' the list. If I wanted to do that, I could buy a 1991 All World set or something and be halfway there. Also few of the guys who have already chimed in have already gone a long way on making that RC list, and I don't want to merely repeat it.

3) Top 50 lists are always fun to bicker about, as are which are the 'true' rookies. If we can come to some sort of agreement, it may bring in new collectors of boxing cards. When I considered starting this project, the hardest thing to find has been credible information on RCs. Even an imperfect (but well-sourced) list could help excite new collectors.

Thanks again for the help - this has already been a bunch of fun to put together so far.

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #8 03-24-2012, 01:59 AM

Oh okay, I didn't realize this was just a regisrty thing.

miklia · #9 03-24-2012, 02:05 AM

nah, the reg is only a part of it - I'm collecting them for myself, not merely to have an arbitrary number assigned to my collection by a grading company. Just coming from the bb/fb collecting arena where RCs are pretty well established, I found it tough to figure out which were the actual rookies of many on this list. As noted, the debate is part of the fun!

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #10 03-24-2012, 02:10 AM

Then why not say eff the registry? Just because they've got some crappy one set up already doesn't mean we can't do the real definitive list. I say do all IBHOF inductees and make it the real thing. If the goal is to strike up some discourse and possibly learn something then that's the thing to do.

Of course, I'm not the one doing the list editing so take my input with a grain of salt.

novakjr · #11 03-26-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by miklia

I started with the Heavyweight champions list, and have been adding from there with 'key' cards and 'key' boxers with help. Any additional suggestions would be much appreciated, as I am the first to admit that my knowledge of 'golden age' boxing is weak. Want to try to cap this list at maybe 40-50 tops.

A while back I was thinking about starting with the HWT Champs list for my collection, but looking at the list on Wiki only pissed me off. So I decided to just pick a couple of sets to work on at a time instead.. The Championships almost seem to be arbitrary at times, and these federations just do whatever the hell they want with the belts.. Especially the WBA. This "Super Champ" mess seems ridiculous...Basically, if their champ also holds the belt in another organization, he is upgraded to "Super Champ", and then the "regular championship" is made available again.. I just don't get how you could justifiably consider the "regular champ" to be a champ, if there is someone else who never lost it, and is STILL considered a champ within the organization...Just a BETTER Champ???

D. Bergin · #12 03-26-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

A while back I was thinking about starting with the HWT Champs list for my collection, but looking at the list on Wiki only pissed me off. So I decided to just pick a couple of sets to work on at a time instead.. The Championships almost seem to be arbitrary at times, and these federations just do whatever the hell they want with the belts.. Especially the WBA. This "Super Champ" mess seems ridiculous...Basically, if their champ also holds the belt in another organization, he is upgraded to "Super Champ", and then the "regular championship" is made available again.. I just don't get how you could justifiably consider the "regular champ" to be a champ, if there is someone else who never lost it, and is STILL considered a champ within the organization...Just a BETTER Champ???

I would just ignore the sanctioning bodies and try to follow a more lineal route, once the titles start getting really muddled with sanctioning body nonsense.

Even then it does get a bit hazy after Lennox Lewis vacates the title.

Which Klitschko brother do you collect? Might as well grab both I'd say.

Exhibitman · #13 03-26-2012, 03:33 PM

That's what I did, Dave. I skipped all the alphabet-sanctioned cheese champions and went straight from Lewis to the K-men. Looks like that may hold me another ten years at the rate things are going in that division...

oldmanvintagecards · #14 01-11-2013, 12:00 PM

I am new to this board and this thread is the reason I joined. I am always looking for the true rookies of star athletes and have really got in to boxing cards over the last year or so. I do have a couple of cards that I consider the True Rookies of Hall of Fame Boxers. The first is the 1920 Juncosa Chocolates (Spain) Jack Dempsey. It is much more rare than the strip cards and was factory cut. It also predates the Champions card by 2 years. The second is a 1964 Nestle Los Juegos Olimpicos (Spain) Joe Frazier card. It predates his 1967 Panini by 3 years. Also, would any of you consider postcards to be rookie cards because there are quite a few postcards that predate the rookie cards you have listed?

-Tom

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #15 01-14-2013, 06:37 PM

Hi Tom, the Juncosa is not a 1920 release. My best guess would be 1924-1926. I believe they even reference the Carpentier fight on the back.