What do you think of this DiMaggio ball?

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by J.McMurry

what does "Pre-Certified" mean exactly? is this another item for sale thats not really for sale?

PSA's "Pre-Certified" is basically what they used to call an "Auction LOA" without the piece of paper. Same kind of guarantee that they had looked at it as before, but if you want the full LOA, you can send it in within so many days of the auction and get a discount on the fees.

Supposedly, anything that is "Pre-Certified" is guaranteed to get a Full LOA if you send it in, so it's like getting the thumbs-up without the re-sellable documentation. They're reason for changing to this was something about too many "Auction LOAs" being used in the same way a full LOA would be when auction winners flipped the items on eBay and elsewhere.

I'm not weighing in on whether they're right or wrong or the real motivation behind the change. Just giving info. I have no idea what would happen if you submitted a pre-certified item that they then determined to be non-authentic, or if pre-certified items are handled differently when re-submitted than a newly-submitted item would be.

[Fuddjcal]

this is going on way too much lately and its ridiculous.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

PSA's "Pre-Certified" is basically what they used to call an "Auction LOA" without the piece of paper. Same kind of guarantee that they had looked at it as before, but if you want the full LOA, you can send it in within so many days of the auction and get a discount on the fees.

Supposedly, anything that is "Pre-Certified" is guaranteed to get a Full LOA if you send it in, so it's like getting the thumbs-up without the re-sellable documentation. They're reason for changing to this was something about too many "Auction LOAs" being used in the same way a full LOA would be when auction winners flipped the items on eBay and elsewhere.

I'm not weighing in on whether they're right or wrong or the real motivation behind the change. Just giving info. I have no idea what would happen if you submitted a pre-certified item that they then determined to be non-authentic, or if pre-certified items are handled differently when re-submitted than a newly-submitted item would be.

So supposedly they have looked at it but have not issued a piece of paper for it?
According to another post in another thread it does not even mean that but I don't know for sure and I would not state that as fact. The other post stated that pre-certified meant that they did not even look at it and the auction house is the only entity that has "authenticated" it.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

So supposedly they have looked at it but have not issued a piece of paper for it? According to another post in another thread it does not even mean that but I don't know for sure and I would not state that as fact. The other post stated that pre-certified meant that they did not even look at it and the auction house is the only entity that has "authenticated" it.

PSA's definition of "Pre-Certified" from their website, near the bottom of the page:

http://www.psacard.com/about/what_is_grading.chtml

"PSA/DNA Pre-Certified
As a hobbyist, you may see the PSA/DNA Pre-Certified logo in various auction house catalogues or online. It is a service unique to auctions and to autographs found within. The purpose of the service is to let the prospective bidders know whether an autographed auction item will pass PSA/DNA should that person win the item and want to send it in for authentication immediately after the auction closes. If you see the Pre-Certified logo, it means the item has been reviewed by our experts and is absolutely guaranteed to pass."

Also found an announcement from May of 2009 when PSA stopped issuing "Auction House LOAs" and started using the term "pre-certified."

http://www.auctionreport.com/psa/psa...ction-service/

Feel free to speculate what this actually means in practice, but it does not mean that PSA gives the auction house wholesale license to rubber-stamp their name on any item the in-house authenticator deems legitimate.

[RichardSimon]

So according to the Heritage ad for that ball and the PSA website, PSA did examine that ball and deem it authentic. And PSA guarantees its authenticity.

[Big Dave]

PSA/DNA does not guarantee the authenticity of the autograph, they just guarantee it will pass their inspection. Pretty much what Morales, TTA, Coach Corner, Frangipani, JSA, and all the rest guarantee. All brands of toilet paper guarantee the same thing too.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

PSA did examine that ball and deem it authentic. And PSA guarantees its authenticity.

Uh oh. Now that's gonna upset our buddy Chris, who declared "That is a horrible Joe DiMaggio and there is no way that PSA authenticated it."

Looks like Chris is gonna have to rethink his worldview.

[earlywynnfan]

[QUOTE=thecatspajamas;978473]PSA's definition of "Pre-Certified" from their website, near the bottom of the page:

http://www.psacard.com/about/what_is_grading.chtml

"PSA/DNA Pre-Certified
As a hobbyist, you may see the PSA/DNA Pre-Certified logo in various auction house catalogues or online. It is a service unique to auctions and to autographs found within. The purpose of the service is to let the prospective bidders know whether an autographed auction item will pass PSA/DNA should that person win the item and want to send it in for authentication immediately after the auction closes. If you see the Pre-Certified logo, it means the item has been reviewed by our experts and is absolutely guaranteed to pass."



Well, not to throw a monkey wrench in this, but I won a small group of baseballs from a smaller auction a couple years ago. They were PSA pre-certified, and there was one $100 ball and several $10 balls. The auctioneer owed me a favor, so he said he'd send the good ball for an official cert on his dime. Guess what? It failed!

I imagine that the authenticators go through the room, checking out lots. They scan each lot, picking the most desirable or most forged autos and giving them a quick eyeball. How do you guys imagine this works?

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[Scott Garner]

[QUOTE=earlywynnfan;978512]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

PSA's definition of "Pre-Certified" from their website, near the bottom of the page:

http://www.psacard.com/about/what_is_grading.chtml

"PSA/DNA Pre-Certified
As a hobbyist, you may see the PSA/DNA Pre-Certified logo in various auction house catalogues or online. It is a service unique to auctions and to autographs found within. The purpose of the service is to let the prospective bidders know whether an autographed auction item will pass PSA/DNA should that person win the item and want to send it in for authentication immediately after the auction closes. If you see the Pre-Certified logo, it means the item has been reviewed by our experts and is absolutely guaranteed to pass."


Well, not to throw a monkey wrench in this, but I won a small group of baseballs from a smaller auction a couple years ago. They were PSA pre-certified, and there was one $100 ball and several $10 balls. The auctioneer owed me a favor, so he said he'd send the good ball for an official cert on his dime. Guess what? It failed!

I imagine that the authenticators go through the room, checking out lots. They scan each lot, picking the most desirable or most forged autos and giving them a quick eyeball. How do you guys imagine this works?

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

They cash your check regardless. What can you say other then it's a moneymaker for the XYZ companies?

[Vintagedegu]

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