Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i've given up on the guy, he disappeared. if psa had stuck by their original authentication and said it was real during the re-examination, Donovan would have come on here and we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Looks like that didn't happen and he isn't saying anything for a particular reason.

I asked him for the two ted williams that look alike, and he said he would post them over a week ago. he doesnt want to do that now, because doing that means that he is available, and by not talking all together, he wants us to think he is away or not available.

That & the other posts by yourself & Mr. Simon certainly sounds like the pitchforks were out. Just saying.......

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

That & the other posts by yourself & Mr. Simon certainly sounds like the pitchforks were out. Just saying.......

as you can read, after the 23rd, we didnt grab the pitchfords, we made many posts asking where you were, and if you could come and give us updates.

its only after two weeks went by we had every right to believe you would never show since you said you would give us an update on the 23rd when you got back.

i still would like to see the williams sigs

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

as you can read, after the 23rd, we didnt grab the pitchfords, we made many posts asking where you were, and if you could come and give us updates.

its only after two weeks went by we had every right to believe you would never show since you said you would give us an update on the 23rd when you got back.

i still would like to see the williams sigs

It will be another two weeks before I return home, but I may have some pictures of the Williams' autos from my old home. I will check & post them if so. That said......to imply that I stayed away from the board because I was "hiding" is simply wreckless. My time is needed in other areas as well, such as work, home, etc... Some of us do have lives outside of collecting. Unfortunately, I had to appease the government when I was supposed to be at home. To me, it sounds alot like the owner of the Hauls of Shame website giving out opinions on things that they have never themselves actually examined. "It's a fake. It's a laser copy, although I've never actually examined it." Travis, I know you have this vendetta against PSA, as clearly signaled by your exerpt from the aforementioned website. They do make mistakes, just as we humans often do. But they also get it right most of the time, regardless of what "Mr. Pop Goes The Weasel" has to say. By the way...... is anyone else here aware of that guy's legal troubles? He's being sued by just about everyone in the hobby, including a certain auction house CEO (that I would go to bat for any day) for over $800,000. And my integrity is questioned? What a load of b.s.!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

It will be another two weeks before I return home, but I may have some pictures of the Williams' autos from my old home. I will check & post them if so. That said......to imply that I stayed away from the board because I was "hiding" is simply wreckless. My time is needed in other areas as well, such as work, home, etc... Some of us do have lives outside of collecting. Unfortunately, I had to appease the government when I was supposed to be at home. To me, it sounds alot like the owner of the Hauls of Shame website giving out opinions on things that they have never themselves actually examined. "It's a fake. It's a laser copy, although I've never actually examined it." Travis, I know you have this vendetta against PSA, as clearly signaled by your exerpt from the aforementioned website. They do make mistakes, just as we humans often do. But they also get it right most of the time, regardless of what "Mr. Pop Goes The Weasel" has to say. By the way...... is anyone else here aware of that guy's legal troubles? He's being sued by just about everyone in the hobby, including a certain auction house CEO (that I would go to bat for any day) for over $800,000. And my integrity is questioned? What a load of b.s.!

I was railing against psa LONG, LONG, LONG before I ever heard the name Peter Nash, ok? Let's make this bad Cobb autograph about him, that somehow makes the autograph real, doesn't it? It's about the autograph, and the track record of PSA is what it is. I ask some people if PSA could have possibly certed a reprint, and they say no way, but the real PSA I can't put anything past just because we know what they have done in the past, it's scary.

but for some of us, this autograph is not up in the air, it's a settled issue already. But it's okay, I am willing to put all aside and wait for the verdict, I just want to see what PSA does, because they only have two options, real or fake.

They can say it's real, which is the funnest option. They can say it's fake, which they won't do in public and apologize, they would only do it privately with an agreement most liekly, that's why the odds are we won't hear it, it will just be silence. That's why we really want to hear the verdict, because silence= you know what.

All in all, no one here, richard and myself, are critical of you personally, but when you didn't show for two weeks after you said you would, we had reason to think we wouldn't hear from you again. And we want to hear from you again.

We might be critical of PSA, but they can prove us wrong and stick to their original "authentic" decision.

We have nothing against you, we just want to know the verdict. I am sure you do too.

[chaddurbin]

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

The easier way for PSA, like I mentioned in a prior post, is to examine the Cobb, if they determine it is fake they reimburse Don. They keep the Cobb and destroy it and keep it in the database, thus admitting no error and never having to answer any questions about it.

[Donavon]

Okay.....I finally received word from PSA/DNA on the Cobb cut signature. The cut was, in fact, deemed a forgery. After a lengthy discussion with the operations manager, it seems that there is an amazing forger out there. The cut was not a laser copy as previously speculated, but a well made forgery by someone with a very skilled hand. PSA/DNA will be sending the cut back to me to do as I wish. They will also be removing it from their authentic data base, & reimbursing me for my troubles. So.....for all the negative attention, I would have to say that PSA/DNA did their job thoroughly. No one tried to cover up anything & they corrected their mistake, unlike what some have insinuated. We as human beings make mistakes, but to be honest & correct those mistakes takes a great deal of integrity. Therefore, I am quite pleased at the way PSA has handled the situation all together. You can also rest assured that this particular cut will never again see the marketplace. Thanks to everyone, especially Leon, for making me aware of the issue & helping me to get this situation fixed.

Sincerely,
Donavon

[travrosty]

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

[travrosty]

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

Travis,

I do not know what their tell tale signals were. I was fooled myself, as the cut had indentation on the back of the paper, showing someone had written it. As for the print dots, I have no idea either. Mr. Keurajian's also had a couple others that mine did not, so that wasn't definitive for me either. The cut will be destroyed via flame as soon as it is returned. It will not be allowed to once again find itself in the marketplace under any circumstances. I will say this.....I believe that there was more than just PSA staff re-evaluating this cut. So.....as for me sending it......that's a big NO GO. I do not want this fake surviving in any way, shape, or form.

P.S.- It does make me wonder though, how a forgery found it's way in books from the 30's & 40's that contained authentic Goudey cards within it's pages as well.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

Your welcome, Travis. And I will still post those Williams' auto pictures for you once I return home.

[travrosty]

great. thanks, again, nothing personal, if psa screwed up the first time by giving it a cert, that is their fault, not yours.