Hobby supplies history

[steve B]

The first acrylic - Were those the folded ones? I still have some of those. Very dependable holders, but they do flatten two corners after a couple decades. Our area had the originals and after about 6 months someone was making knockoffs that weren't finished as well.

Injection molded in 83? I'm trying to recall which those are. I have a few very old screwdowns some molded some just lexan with screws. I also have one from 82-3? Maybe earlier that was very advanced. It had a cardboard insert that had a nice pattern, and was a screwdown with nylon screws. The dealer I hung out at gave me the sample one he'd been sent. He never did carry them as they were really expensive and hardly any one said they'd buy them.

Steve B

[sirraffles]

Actually, the ones with the patterned cardboard insert and nylon screws came before the others. You are right, they were expensive. At first I packed them in individual boxes, then bags with a printed header. Of course, cards weren't worth all that much in the '70's and collectors had no experience with individual card holders. Oh, I can't count the times that I heard, "but that's as much as the card is worth!" I did end up selling maybe 30-40k of them over a few years. Next I did the fold overs, as a response to the price issue. I never did like them, in fact I hated them. I got out of making those as quickly as I could. Others started making them almost immediately and continued for some time.

The injection molded ones might have been a little earlier than '83. They snapped together and had a recessed spot for the card. I left enough space at the bottom for my "big idea"-hot stamping things like "Rookie Card" or "MVP". I sold quite a few of those.

By around '82 people had been making sheets for a long time but there was always a shortage as the hobby was growing quite quickly. I found an agent in Taiwan, at the time not an easy thing to do for a very small business, and imported a load of half a million sheets. They arrived in a cold December and were absolutely frozen solid. I had a huge pile of cases in the middle of the warehouse that took almost ten days to thaw out. You could see a really thick cloud of steam coming off them. Only in retrospect does it seem humorous to me...I'd invested almost all my cash into the scheme and had only a big pile of steaming .... to show for it. The sheets were forever damaged and were really, really terrible. I was going to throw them away but dealers were so desperate for sheets that they wanted them anyway. In the end I made a handsome profit selling frozen blocks of 100 sheets each. Those were the days!

[steve B]

These snap together holders? I liked them, but couldn't find them where I lived at the time. As you can see, I still use the few I have.

Great stuff, those ones with the insert are probably the nicest holders I've seen. They might do well today, but yeah, at the time it was a choice of getting a holder or a somewhat interesting card. (Or in my case a fistful of commons)

What pages did you bring in? While it must have been horrible at the time the story of the whole pile of cases frozen is kinda funny now.

I'm thinking of attempting a hobby supplies timeline.

Steve B

[sirraffles]

No, not that one. I'll see if I have one somewhere that I can scan. The one you pictured came out a long time after. I can't remember who made it. Around '88 there was an explosion of new molded holders, it was hard for even me to keep track and that was my business. Every day seemed to bring in a package from a new player with holder samples. I remember one that continuously beeped "Take Me Out to the Ballgame". It wouldn't stop, it kept going and going until I nearly lost my mind and threw it to the ground. There was this long pause and then it started beeping again.

The Taiwan pages that I brought in didn't have a brand name. I had found a manufacturer and had basically sent him a MVP sheet (Command Plastics, Ohio) to knock off. I wanted to see what the first batch actually looked like before I would commit to putting my company name on them. Boy, they sure were frozen solid. I smacked one brick against the wall and the whole thing just exploded into shards! Over the years I had tried to interest other plastic converters domestically to make sheets. None would. I sure didn't want to get into manufacturing but in '86 or '87 I bought a couple specialty machines to do so.

The supply business was dog-eat-dog, really quite vicious. I'm sure many of us remember when the first rigid holders made it into the country. Some guy from NJ had them. He charged $250 for a case of 1000, no discounts. He wouldn't even take my call so I bought a load from Taiwan. They could only supply 100 cases and the price was 125.00ppd a case. I sold out the first day. By 1992 things were upside down and there was a huge glut nationally. I remember buying full containers of 1.2 million holders at 2.2 cents each, then having to flip them for as low as 2.3 cents each. It was a stupid time, but that was what the market was.

[steve B]

Wow, I'm thinking the beeping one didn't sell well. I never saw one, and without an off switch I'm not surprised.

One of the big companies was local, Rotman. They were primarily a waterbed maker, but had the machines making sheets. Some of the local guys used to go there to pick up their orders.

Steve B

[sirraffles]

I didn't know Rotman made waterbeds, but it makes sense. That type of equipment could do both.

[bh3443]

Good Morning Steve,
First, let me applaud you for starting this great thread. Since you & I are from the Boston area, our findings are similar.
In the mid 70's, I bought those Logo binders with sheets at the Marlboro Mammoth Mart which later became The Mart and eventually Zarze. Interestingly enough, my silent partner in my Framingham Store (1980-1985) was a VP at Zarze and we traced the sheets to a company in Milton, Massachusetts called RW Baldwin. The binders we found were those brown "Sports Collection" type and made by Elbe Corporation in Fall River, Mass.
Now, board member Jeff Weisenberg/National Card Investors (a close friend since we were kids and the # 1 guy at Rotman's al those years) can fill in the details from here, but if my memory serves me correctly, Steve Rotman bought the Elbe binder Company, either bought out RW Baldwin Sheet Company and eventually was using 20th Century Plastics in CA by the early 1980's, and he was using Worcester, MA Corrogated Box Co for making the storage boxes.

As most of you know, I travelled extensively all over the US to do shows with hobby pioneer and supply dealer Bob Thing from Maine and we remain very close after all these decades. Bob was getting some supplies from Rotman until a historic meeting at the 1981 Willow Grove Show, when we were introduced to 2 gentlemen from Ohio who owned MVP Sheets. A deal was struck on price/quantity in the lounge at the old George Washington Motor Lodge and Bob and I began trucking van loads of sheets from Ohio back to New England.

As for single card holders (screw downs), I always had a crew of guys that would hand make them for us. This went on until a show in Southern Conn when someone showed us what's now known as the rigid holder. They first appeared in our circle in 1985 or 1986.

Then with the hobby boom of the 90's, Ultra Pro and BBC World pretty much priced everyone out of the market with a decent line of products at low prices.

Although we had fun and made money with supplies ( I was a little guy with shows and stores) but Bob was a good size wholesaler, it was exciting as the various products developed and hit the market.

These days, I get my supplies from Bob when he comes to visit me. He's THE guy at the GBSCC for supplies!

I hope this info helps shed some light on the history of supplies as I remember it, and again, Steve, thanks for starting a great thread. It's always great talking hobby issues with you. My best to you & your family!

Bill Hedin