Was I Shilled??

[tbob]

I don't think you were shilled. It looks like the auction was at less than $500 as it wound down and 5 or 6 bidders had snipe bids which all kicked in at once, within a second or two of each other, which drove the price up. I don't see the "shilling" pattern I have seen with other cards.

[Donscards]

Sure looks funny to me---Underbidder has 0 feedback and if he didnt bid, you would have won the auction for under $1500 instead of $2175---I would watch the underbidder and see what he bids on next---but too late now on this auction---Still a nice piece. Don

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Donscards

Sure looks funny to me---Underbidder has 0 feedback and if he didnt bid, you would have won the auction for under $1500 instead of $2175---I would watch the underbidder and see what he bids on next---but too late now on this auction---Still a nice piece. Don

The final 6 bids were snipes placed in the last 10 seconds of the auction by different bidders.

There's no telling how many snipes in that time span didn't even register because of the leap in bidding and the timing of the snipes.

[danmckee]

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

Well I guess I'm an idiot. Thanks man.

Looks like they were shilling "Buy It Now" auctions. Guess the shiller must be even stupider then me.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Looks like they were shilling "Buy It Now" auctions. Guess the shiller must be even stupider then me.

How can you see who the buyer was who won a Buy it Now auction? Obviously you can see it when they leave feedback, but until then there isn't any way of knowing, is there? I just checked the seller's feedback and he hasn't received any feedback from a zero level buyer all year.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

How can you see who the buyer was who won a Buy it Now auction? Obviously you can see it when they leave feedback, but until then there isn't any way of knowing, is there? I just checked the seller's feedback and he hasn't received any feedback from a zero level buyer all year.

Seller has two actual auctions ended in the last 15 days.

New bidder has bid in exactly 1 actual auction in that time span, on the item indicated.

Every other bid, is a single bid on a different item spread out over the last week. Indicating they are all "Buy It Nows", because the seller did not have any auctions listed at the time those bids were placed.

I'm actually dumbfounded I'm the only one who sees this..............or is it everybody is so damn willing to shout "shill", they refuse to.




I'm about as confused as I've ever been. Hell maybe I am just a F*#*n' idiot.

[glchen]

Easier to "shill" BIN's because then the shiller/seller can just have one big Nonpayment case for stuff that wasn't selling anyway as opposed to auction items that were getting real bids.

Saying that, I believe the final price of the lot was very reasonable.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by glchen

Easier to "shill" BIN's because then the shiller/seller can just have one big Nonpayment case for stuff that wasn't selling anyway as opposed to auction items that were getting real bids.

Saying that, I believe the final price of the lot was very reasonable.

Really, you think this well known seller, created a new account..........shilled 18 Buy It Now" auctions to make a non-payment case on them, shielding them from suspicion so they can make a shill bid on this one auction item?

Wouldn't have been simpler to just create a new account, don't shill those "Buy It Nows!" Place the bids in that auction and say it's just a newbie customer of ours who signed up with Ebay to place this bid?

[Matthew H]

I'm actually leaning towards not shill... Why would someone snipe a shill bid? Doesn't really make sense..

Also I believe dave is right about all the BIN's, Why would he purchase his own BINs? That just adds suspicion I think.

His second bid of 461 is odd, what's the point of shilling $10 on a lot like this, $2150 is also a weird shill number. I'd be more suspicious if his final bid was 2k. $2150 seem more like a number from a guy that wants to pay a max of 2k but doesn't want to lose the lot over an extra hundred.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

Thanks Dan, appreciate the kind words....

[danmckee]

Sorry Tbob. this one seems obvious

A snipe on a shill ensures your minimum bid

easy call here, sorry

blatant shill!

[rainier2004]

Looks like a shill to me...I guess kudos to those of you that doesnt bother, but at this point Im tired of ANY dishonest activity including shilling in the hobby and shilling is dishonest. If you have a reserve then why not just do a BIN? Those other final bids in the last few seconds didnt get over $1415...thats an additional $700+ based on a single 0-feedback bidder w/ 100% activity with one guy. I know other snipes may have been washed away but smells like BS to me. - Steve Suckow

[danmckee]

Blatant shill and morons who don't care are idiots in my opinion! It is fraudulent dealings and I don't care if you are lawyers or not!!!!

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by danmckee

blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that.

like and agree

[calvindog]

I haven't bothered to read this whole thread because frankly I'm stunned that there could possibly be so many opinions on this one. If you cannot see a shill bidding scenario here, with all respect, you are a fu&$@g idiot.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I haven't bothered to read this whole thread because frankly I'm stunned that there could possibly be so many opinions on this one. If you cannot see a shill bidding scenario here, with all respect, you are a fu&$@g idiot.

How about you read the whole thread then, before calling someone a fu&$@g idiot?




What you guys are saying is one newbie bidder, placing a snipe bid in a single auction is a definite shill bidding account...........and if you don't believe this, you are a f*%&ng idiot?

Every other bid in their history is for a "Buy It Now"!

[botn]

Originally Posted by tbob

I don't think you were shilled. It looks like the auction was at less than $500 as it wound down and 5 or 6 bidders had snipe bids which all kicked in at once, within a second or two of each other, which drove the price up. I don't see the "shilling" pattern I have seen with other cards.

I don't follow the logic at all. Seems pretty obvious to me the bidding pattern of the 0 feedback bidder constitutes a shill.