Wagner cards more common than the T206 Wagner

[brianp-beme]

I will add the E90-1 American Caramel and the Fan Craze to the list. I have to admit I know little to nothing about suppliment issues such as the M101-2, so would like to hear a confirming vote from another member on this one. And it would be interesting to hear what people think about the Cracker Jacks...I think they would qualify.

Thanks for the input...and keep it coming.

Brian

[rhettyeakley]

Here are some of his more common pre-WW2 items, some may be pretty close but all are potentially around the same as the T206 or more plentiful...

• 1913 Barker Game
• 1916 BF2 Pennants
• 1939 Centennial Stamps 24
• 1909/11 Colgans (E254)
• 1914 Cracker Jack 68
• 1915 Cracker Jack 68
• 1909/11 E90-1 batting
• 1909/11 E90-1 throwing
• 1910 E90-2
• 1910 E91-C
• 1909 E92 batting
• 1909 E92 throwing
• 1910 E93
• 1911 E94
• 1909 E95
• 1910 E98
• 1909 E101 batting
• 1909 E101 throwing
• 1909 E102 batting
• 1909 E102 throwing
• 1917 E135 180
• 1906 Fan Craze NL
• 1909/13 M101-2
• 1909/13 M101-2 w/cobb
• 1916 M101-4 182
• 1916 M101-5 184
• 1910/11 M116 blue
• 1910/11 M116 pastel
• 1921 Mrs. Sherlock’s Pins (maybe)
• 1913 National Game
• 1940 Play Ball 168
• 1914 Polo Grounds Game
• 1936 R311 Leather w/vaughan
• 1936 R312 w/vaughan
• 1936 R313

Two more posssibilities:
-1910 Tip-Top Bread (D322)
-D304
(I tend to think these aren't as rare as some think)

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Rhett...I think a lot of these Wagner issues are more common than his T206 Wagner. Of course this is all educated guesswork on our parts, but I think we can probably get a pretty accurate picture of how the T206 Wagner 'ranks' in scarcity versus his other cards.

From Rhett's list I have taken the liberty to eliminate any issues after his playing career (post 1917). Also I have grouped them into different availability categories. The first category are ones that I think are more readily available than the T206. The second group are cards that are right around the same amount (maybe a little more, maybe a little less), and the third is a list in its infacy of Wagner issues that are almost positively more scarce than his T206. The fourth category consists of issues that I have no real knowledge about, and with your responses can help dictate which other group they belong.

Let me know what you think of my groupings...I promise not to get grumpy if your opinions differ from mine.


More Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting
1909/11 E90-1 throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 batting
1909 E92 throwing
1910 E93
E94
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1916 M101-4
1916 M101-5
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D304
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E101 batting
E101 throwing
E102 throwing


Less than the T206 (should be plenty of more issues in this grouping...let us know):

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E102 batting
E103
E107
E135 Collins McCarthy
E270 Tin Tops
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting
Orange Border portrait
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)


Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb


Brian

[Matt]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Let me know what you think of my groupings...I promise not to get grumpy if your opinions differ from mine.

More Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting
1909/11 E90-1 throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 batting
1909 E92 throwing
1910 E93
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1916 M101-4
1916 M101-5
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D304
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E94
E101 batting
E101 throwing
E102 throwing
E135 Collins McCarthy

I believe the following all should be moved to the more rare list:
1906 Fan Craze
E135 Collins McCarthy
E92 Crofts Cocoa, Candy & Nadja
M101-4
M101-5
E101 batting
E101 throwing
E102 throwing

I'd move the E94 and E90-2 to the more common list and the E102 batting to the 'about the same' list.

Also, just to clarify - this is in terms of rarity, not scarcity.

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Matt...I made a mistake on the E102 Wagner, as I mixed up the toughie. I will change the list. Also all the non-Dockman should be separated out, as I believe like you they would all be less common than the T206 Wagner. I agree with you (I was on the fence) about the E135 and E101being less common, and I think you are probably correct about the E90-2 being more common, but unless others chime in I will leave the E94 in its current group, as well as the M101-4 and M101-5 (especially if all the backs are lumped together), and the Fan Craze.

Brian

[Matt]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

unless others chime in I will leave the E94 in its current group, as well as the M101-4 and M101-5 (especially if all the backs are lumped together), and the Fan Craze.

FYI - combined SGC & PSA population reports (clearly not definitive, but better then nothing):

T206: (32+12=) 44
M101-4: (23+9=) 33
M101-5: (12+4=) 16
Fan Craze: (25+13=) 38
E94: (23+39=) 62

[Ladder7]

Where would u fellas place the E103
I know where the E135 blank-back belongs.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Thanks Matt...I made a mistake on the E102 Wagner, as I mixed up the toughie. I will change the list. Also all the non-Dockman should be separated out, as I believe like you they would all be less common than the T206 Wagner. I agree with you (I was on the fence) about the E135 and E101being less common, and I think you are probably correct about the E90-2 being more common, but unless others chime in I will leave the E94 in its current group, as well as the M101-4 and M101-5 (especially if all the backs are lumped together), and the Fan Craze.

Brian

I recently sold at auction a E92 Wags batting Nadja back PSA 3; it was the only graded copy listed in all pop reports. Interestingly, there were several throwing poses that had been graded. Got to be rarer than the T206.

[terjung]

A number of these Wagner cards (rarer than the T206) are currently up for auction in the current BST Auctions Fall Premier catalog.

For starters, there's Standard Biscuit, JuJu Drum, Collins McCarthy, W600, JK&A, Green Joyce, etc... (plug, plug)

http://www.bst-auctions.com/catalog.aspx