Wrinkles in PSA 5s

[CMIZ5290]

Scott- i completely agree. I have got a couple of psa 5's that have razor sharp corners and perfect centering. The cards look like an 8, and the small paper wrinkles are on the back of the card, and are less than a quarter of an inch long. Plus, you have to look at a certain angle to even see them. To me, a 3 grade knock on this type of card is more than sufficient.....

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Scott- i completely agree. I have got a couple of psa 5's that have razor sharp corners and perfect centering. The cards look like an 8, and the small paper wrinkles are on the back of the card, and are less than a quarter of an inch long. Plus, you have to look at a certain angle to even see them. To me, a 3 grade knock on this type of card is more than sufficient.....

Must just be a preference. When I was growing up pre-grading age, an EX card could have well-bruised corners, but no wrinkles. If it had a wrinkle, I immediately dropped it into the VG category. For me, minty fresh cards with spider wrinkles are perfect PSA 4s and SGC 50s.

Does anybody have an SGC 60 T206 card with a wrinkle? I have had zero success crossing PSA 5s with wrinkles into SGC 60 holders. Has anybody been successful?

I have, however, been able to cross PSA 4s with corner damage into SGC 60s. But that was before the advent of half-point grading at PSA.

[ebrehm]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Must just be a preference. When I was growing up pre-grading age, an EX card could have well-bruised corners, but no wrinkles. If it had a wrinkle, I immediately dropped it into the VG category. For me, minty fresh cards with spider wrinkles are perfect PSA 4s and SGC 50s.

Does anybody have an SGC 60 T206 card with a wrinkle? I have had zero success crossing PSA 5s with wrinkles into SGC 60 holders. Has anybody been successful?

I have, however, been able to cross PSA 4s with corner damage into SGC 60s. But that was before the advent of half-point grading at PSA.

I agree, I am from the pre-grading age too, and for me Excellent should mean no wrinkles. Of course, at one point is a very slightly surface imperfection actually considered a wrinkle? Could be a matter of judgement.

[Edwolf1963]

I don't have any SGC60s that I'm aware of with crease/wrinkles. I always thought the stated maximum you could get from either PSA or SGC on cards with a wrinkle was a 4? Personally, I have found more issues with a few PSA5s having paper chips/loss than wrinkles. SGC60s - I have seen more centering issues, especially the backs.

Obviously both can make questionable grades/mistakes, I've just seen more inconsistency on the cards I've seen and/or submitted to PSA.

[chaddurbin]

i did have a sgc60 t206 young w/glove with 2 spidery corner wrinkles. the card shifted significantly inside the sgc case during shipping so wasn't sure if wrinkle was there before.

say all you want about the floating psa case, but the black sgc insert slab is also a problem and sometimes the sharp edges dig into the card.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

the black sgc insert slab is also a problem and sometimes the sharp edges dig into the card.

True -- I had an SGC 60 Walter Johnson portrait once that had two little dings on the bottom edge from the SGC insert. I raised it with the good folks at SGC and they were very accommodating and apologetic -- but they haven't changed their black-insert formula.

[CMIZ5290]

Chad, excellent point about sgc holders. I have an sgc 92 that this happened to. It made me sick to my stomach when i first noticed it, but that's what had to have happened because sgc woulld have noticed that small indention if it was already there before grading...by the way, is there any recourse with SGC on this type of issue?

[glynparson]

wrinkles are allowed on psa 5 they are even allowed on psa 6 if the rest of card is mint. there are things that they both are more lenient about