Reporting live from the Hunts Ted Williams auction

scooter729 · #1 04-28-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I landed lot #37. That signature is fantastic. I'm hoping the photo came from his personal collection but regardless I'm happy to have it.

That's a fantastic picture! They did announce at the start of bidding on #37 that JSA wouldn't issue a COA for the picture, because they had never seen that exact style of signature. Hunt's felt certain it was 100% legit, but JSA wouldn't cert it because of the unique style.

And they did say the picture originated from Ted Williams' belongings as they were sorting through things, so you should be happy! The image might be unique as well, I believe!

Crowd is maybe 150 people or so right now, plus some various media outlets in town. People seem to be coming and going a bit, since this is going to be an all-day affair.....

Splinte1941 · #2 04-28-2012, 12:21 PM

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scooter729 · #3 04-28-2012, 12:29 PM

Good luck in dealing with them on this - I would certainly have thought that information would be (and should be) shared with any bidders on the lot.

I had been interested in the picture as well but was a bit surprised to hear their announcement.

Splinte1941 · #4 04-28-2012, 12:33 PM

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travrosty · #5 04-28-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

They're not getting paid until PSA has a look at it. I even asked the girl over the phone what they were saying and she said they were saying how rare it was. More BS from this business. Someone is supposed to call me back, but they'll probably end up relisting this live if I don't get a good explanation.

where in the description does it say jsa cert?

i dont get it. why does psa's approval all of the sudden mean its good again and that's the only way they are going to get paid? Where does it say you are only obligated to pay if just two people in the world give it the thumbs up? You bid on it as is and you should pay for it. I have sold stuff that jsa and psa did not like, but it was real so who cares unless you are only interested in the cert.

something tells me you just want the cert, you are cert shopping.

If an auction lists no cert, does that mean if psa and jsa fail it in the future, you are entitled to your money back? that's ridiculous. It's their opinion and if you didnt get their opinion beforehand, its not the auction houses problem. nobody should be subject to the whims of psa or jsa.

Splinte1941 · #6 04-28-2012, 12:46 PM

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travrosty · #7 04-28-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

No. I want a legitimate item you *******.

Am I supposed to take Dave Hunts word for it? Whos word am I supposed to take? If I wanted to resell it someday a cert would nice, wouldn't it genius? Now go back to doing whatever you were doing before I didn't ask for your 2 cents.

so you are cert shopping, good. a cert would be nice for resell? Hey, HUNT sold it to you without one. worked for them, didnt it?

you mentioned resell, which means you are only interested in the cert, not if it is real. if psa gives you a cert, you won't be mad at the auction house anymore or jsa either. that's the point. whether or not it is real doesnt really matter to you as long as jsa or psa issue a cert for it.

so if psa certs it and jsa won't, what does that tell you about the legitimacy of the item? NOTHING, because it is a split opinion. so if the two world's experts disagree, you only care about the one that certed it, because it is now real, but if psa wouldnt cert it and jsa would, then it would also be real, as long as one of them certs it, you will believe THAT person, because for the moment, he is giving you what you want. If it was the other way around, then that same person's opinion would be junk in your opinion, and the OTHER one would be gold. See how crazy it is?

HRBAKER · #8 04-28-2012, 12:54 PM

If they had the info about JSA's refusal bf they went to print they should have put it in the description. If it is important enough to announce to the live bidders and they didn't have the info bf the catalogs went out then a note should have been made to share the same info with all phone bidders IMO.

Their announcement of such info IMO acknowledges that they consider it relevant to most bidders.

EDIT TO ADD: JSAs refusal to cert certainly doesn't mean that the item is no good.

scooter729 · #9 04-28-2012, 12:55 PM

FWIW it's worth - the auction catalog states "Auction LOA from JSA". My guess is that it used to be on the website description and was removed when they got the add'l info from JSA.

They should have updated the website listing with this info, and informed anyone who had bid on it of this info.

And geez travrosty, seriously - do you have to yell at everyone who ever buys an autograph? You called me a moron the other day for admitting I'd bought some bad autographs years ago; it's people like you with your negative attitudes that make people stay away from the autograph forum. Now please stay over there and do NOT ruin another legitimate thread please!

travrosty · #10 04-28-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I was bidding via phone and I wasn't privy to that information about the signature nor did the woman taking my bid tell me anything. Looks like a problem in the making. There was nothing about JSA refusing to cert the thing in the catalogue.

why is it a problem in the making? the lot never said jsa cert. do you need a jsa cert on everything? it is just one guys opinion.

You got exactly what you bid on, a ted williams signed photo with no cert, just as the description states. why let one guy run the autograph collecting world? You should have done your own research BEFORE you bid and you should have felt comfortable with the signed photo BEFORE you bid. There is no disclaimer on these auctions that everything is sold with the expectation that it will pass psa or jsa.

do you need a list of all the people who will or won't give it a cert on every single item in the whole catalogue? How many names do they need to list?

on this item, psa will cert it, but jsa wont, on this one, jsa will but psa wont, on this one, psa and jsa wont, but global will.

Why not get the opinions of the authenticators of your choice on any one particular item before you bid? Just saying.

Splinte1941 · #11 04-28-2012, 12:42 PM

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travrosty · #12 04-28-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinte1941

Get a life. No one asked for your opinion. Your response is rude and not welcomed.

I'm on the phone waiting to bid asking the woman for the information and you would have thought theyd have provided the info.

they DID provide the info. they listed it on their auction with no cert. that's what you bid on. they are under no obligation to list who may or may not cert this item in the future. that's for you to figure out BEFOREHAND.

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