Roberto Clemente Signed Autographed Baseball Global Authentics

[BrandonG]

Here are the two different Feeney baseballs that Spalding made. Besides the lack of "Sewn In Haiti" on the '70-'73 model, there is a slight design, and size difference.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Brandon, thank you very much for that explanation and for lending your expertise to this thread.

[thetruthisoutthere]

From the Global Authentics cert check database.

[GrayGhost]

Chris or Brandon. Fascinating thread, and obviously stuff was removed below the ball logo. But, how do you know its not the 1970-3 one on left? Unless I can't see, how would you know it wasn't that one, of the two Feeney examples?

I also don't like the sig anyways, but what am I missing?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Scott, I knew the autograph was not authentic, but when I noticed the abrasions under the Spalding label my first thought was "Did someone remove some markings on the ball to hide something?" That's when I sent photographs of the baseball to Brandon. I do believe that Brandon's comment explains it in a nutshell.

[GrayGhost]

I just see the 2 ball size variations, and am asking how come the ball in question couldn't be the type that does not have the Made in Haiti, but is the earlier version on left of his two photos.

Regardless, the idea of Just removing something there casts potential suspicion at the very least.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

I just see the 2 ball size variations, and am asking how come the ball in question couldn't be the type that does not have the Made in Haiti, but is the earlier version on left of his two photos.

Regardless, the idea of Just removing something there casts potential suspicion at the very least.

Edit- The actual "ball" on the stamp is bigger on the newer ball and the writing is a tad different, i see now.

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Chris or Brandon. Fascinating thread, and obviously stuff was removed below the ball logo. But, how do you know its not the 1970-3 one on left? Unless I can't see, how would you know it wasn't that one, of the two Feeney examples?

I also don't like the sig anyways, but what am I missing?

Okay a couple things, you guys really need to look at the two baseballs, the logo on the left baseball (70-73) is smaller, the stitching design is different, the "Cushioned Cork Center" writing is smaller, a different font, and tighter to the Splading circle. The "Reg in US Pat Off" doesn't have a period after it. If you REALLY look you should see the difference. There's no way the forged ball is the early model ball. If you had the two in hand you would definitely see a difference. If not, I guess that's why I'm writing the book and you're not lol

As for the authenticators not doing their research in the balls themselves, I think it's just because there was never any reference to do so, in reality I've recently just popped up as the guy to go to, and once my book is out I'm sure all of them will have a copy as a reference guide. Maybe I need to get my name out there more to these guys and start making a buck or two helping them.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Beautifully written, Brandon.

[travrosty]

Here's the same ball with ACE certification, a 350 dollar ball becomes a 20,000 dollar ball?

http://www.icollector.com/ROBERTO-CL...-COA_i11978349


other signed balls sold in this "auction" include a jackie robinson for 325 dollars

http://www.icollector.com/JACKIE-ROB...-COA_i11978234



but that one went more than the christy mathewson signed ball that sold for 250 dollars, boy that guy got a good deal!

http://www.icollector.com/CHRISTY-MA...-COA_i11978240



and a chief bender for 170 dollars

http://www.icollector.com/CHIEF-BEND...-COA_i11978326


and if you look at all the completed pioneer premiere auctions out of portland its all the same guys certing the same kind of stuff for rock bottom prices.

[RichardSimon]

ACE should start to run some ads showing off the prices realized that their garbage gets.
Those prices are even lower than CC prices.
AMAZINGLY bad sh--.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

ACE should start to run some ads showing off the prices realized that their garbage gets.
Those prices are even lower than CC prices.
AMAZINGLY bad sh--.

Justin must be real proud of himself now that he's mentioned in the same circles as Chris Morales, Ted Taylor, Drew Max, and Coach's Corner. And in my opinion, we can add Global Authentics to that circle.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Aren't these the exact same baseballs? The first one is the Global Authentics certed Clemente and the second one is the one that Travis posted a link to that is certed by ACE (Justin Priddy).

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[travrosty]

yep, they are the same, it went through that auction with an ace cert, then got a GA cert and showed up on ebay. Look at the date on the certs. since GA is an ebay approved authenticator, the buyer must have took a chance at getting a GA cert after they bought it from that auction house so they could list it on ebay and got one from GA. They felt a GA cert was an upgrade from an ACE cert in the eyes of collectors.

[Bilko G]

Wow just a bunch of fraud and scamming going on. Like seriously, who in there right mind can honestly think they can buy an A+ example of a Clemente auto ball for $350?

Hell, for a little over a grand you can get signed balls from Clemente, Mathewson, Jackie Robinson and Chief Bender. Amazing!!!

[travrosty]

in all likelihood most of the winning bidders on auctions like these have a good idea on what they are bidding on and receiving.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by travrosty

in all likelihood most of the winning bidders on auctions like these have a good idea on what they are bidding on and receiving.

oh i totally agree. I would have to imagine that a good chunk of the people buying this crap are looking to buy in cheap and flipping for a large profit to the uneducated and naive,

[RichardSimon]

The guy who bought it for $350 had to know that the ACE cert is barred by ebay. That is why he went to Global.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

Wow just a bunch of fraud and scamming going on. Like seriously, who in there right mind can honestly think they can buy an A+ example of a Clemente auto ball for $350?

Hell, for a little over a grand you can get signed balls from Clemente, Mathewson, Jackie Robinson and Chief Bender. Amazing!!!

This is one big Ponzi scheme. Not quite Bernie Madoff levels but certainly at the level of the Tulip Mania in The Netherlands in the 17th Century.
One item can pass through the hands of half a dozen scammers, each marking it up, before a know nothing person winds up with it at a high price, thinking it has a COA, how could it be bad? And I can send little Julie to college if I hold it for 12 more years.
The roster of pathetic criminals in this business just grows every day. What is scary is that the outlets they avail themselves of is also growing every day. The auction site pointed out by Travis was news to me. These type places seem to be springing up like weeds every day.
They also had a Ruth baseball box signed, a Harry Heilmann ss ball, a Lou Gehrig signed twice ledger page, all selling for a few hundred dollars. All with the usual cast of COA's.

[RichardSimon]

I just received an e mail from Steve @ Global and was told that the Clemente ball was taken out of their system, despite the fact that I had been told all those stories about museum curators, a big collector in Puerto Rico who had the ball and that Chris wishes he had that kind of collection, etc.
I told Global that we will be watching them.
And btw - they don't think much of Net54 people.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And btw - they don't think much of Net54 people.

LOL....I hold no hard feelings towards them . I certainly appreciate ya'll keeping an eye on things though...probably a tad bit more than they do. They really should come over to the bright side instead of where they are mired.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I just received an e mail from Steve @ Global and was told that the Clemente ball was taken out of their system, despite the fact that I had been told all those stories about museum curators, a big collector in Puerto Rico who had the ball and that Chris wishes he had that kind of collection, etc.
I told Global that we will be watching them.
And btw - they don't think much of Net54 people.

"Taken out of the system." Really? That ball was removed by Ebay and it will be sold to someone else on another platform other than Ebay.