t206 psa 8 wagner provenance

[Peter_Spaeth]

He may well be right, and I think most people would agree with him, but Andrew has no first-hand knowledge, so he is just "speculating" as is everyone else.

[Matthew H]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...ard-was-t.html

Those that don't believe this is the same card, simply don't want to

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...ard-was-t.html

Those that don't believe this is the same card, simply don't want to

Matt, you are 100% correct.

I found this bit from the link you posted, interesting. I didn't realize that McNall did the submitting. I thought PSA was created specifically as a way of 'authenticating' the card and sweeping the trimming under the carpet.

"A few months after he and Gretzky bought the card, a new company -- Professional Sports Authenticator, now the hobby's biggest and most important card-grading service -- was born. McNall submitted the card for inspection and it was declared a PSA 8 on a scale of 1-10."

[g_vezina_c55]

thanks for the link.
Interesting picture.
I never see this card in real so i can t have a real opinion about it .

The only think i know is, i have 100% confidence in PSA, SGC and BGS.
So i just can t beleive psa give the grade of 8 to a ' suposely trimmed card ' .

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Matt, you are 100% correct.

I found this bit from the link you posted, interesting. I didn't realize that McNall did the submitting. I thought PSA was created specifically as a way of 'authenticating' the card and sweeping the trimming under the carpet.

"A few months after he and Gretzky bought the card, a new company -- Professional Sports Authenticator, now the hobby's biggest and most important card-grading service -- was born. McNall submitted the card for inspection and it was declared a PSA 8 on a scale of 1-10."

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

thanks for the link.
Interesting picture.
I never see this card in real so i can t have a real opinion about it .

I can't find the video right now, maybe some one else can help.

The grader of the card said something like "I could tell the card was hand cut, I just felt like it deserved a grade". When PSA first started, I believe the only graded unaltered cards. So they had two options, either grade the card numerically or no holder.

Edit: G Venezia, if you compare the photo to the one in the holder, it's easy to see the vertical borders are fatter in the raw photo. They are also wavy ( although they are wavy in the holder too just thinner)

Some people think they are not the same card, I think it's obvious that they are the the same. IMO

[g_vezina_c55]

i saw the pic... if it is the same card it is evident the card was handcut. But perhaps a photoshop ? or different card ?

probably it will be a mystery until the end of the world.... probably only a couple of person know the truth...

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He may well be right, and I think most people would agree with him, but Andrew has no first-hand knowledge, so he is just "speculating" as is everyone else.

True Peter. I have never examined the card first hand. An attorney doesn't investigate a murder scene either. He bases his defense on the evidence.