Babe Ruth single-signed baseball... but with TTA Authentication

[Big Dave]

If the guy had not mentioned TTA, would your opinions be the same? I personally think that guy made a mistake mentioning that instead just asking your opinions. Automatically you condemned the autograph because it was TTA certified.

[steve B]

I'm not much good with autographs, but even I see problems with this one. It just doesn't look like handwriting - Anyones handwriting- even an autopen does better.

It does look printed.

Steve B

[Splinte1941]

I'd love to see the ball it's signed on.

It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I'd love to see the ball it's signed on.

It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned.

jake, you hit it on the head.

that's why i say that even the biggest companies dont know what they are doing on ruth, becasue if this exact autograph had abc, or xyz authentication everyone would drool over it and wouldn't question it. no lie. and if someone questioned abc and xyz's expertise, the defenders would defend them to the death on this autograph if they said it was good.

their line is that its ALWAYS junk if it is tta (I won't defend them, it might be,) but on the other hand it is ALWAYS fabulous if it is abc or xyz. that's why the whole authentication game as it stands right now is junk, just look at all the ruths that abc and xyz cert and tell me that they are all good.

Ruth's siganture has been so corrupted it's almost impossible to tell anymore.

look at this ebay auction with certification and tell me a dime's worth of difference between the signatures on the two balls. if the psa one had been certed by tta, people would have feigned outrage over the 'crap' certed by tta. It's a game of names and trying to pump one up to increase value of LOA's in one's collection by never questioning them and bashing all the others.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item19cff491e0

now here come all the babe ruth experts, let me have it!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Ted Taylor doesn't deserve the respect for anything that he has authenticated to get consideration that it might be authentic, even if he gets lucky once-in-awhile. That's how I feel about Ted Taylor. My disdain for him runs deep.

Has anyone seen a Ted Taylor certed autograph that they can say is authentic? I haven't.

Yes, this thread has gone off-track a bit, but just the mention of Ted Taylor does that to me.

[travrosty]

because everything tta certs is assumed bad, and everything the big 2 certs is assumed good, you can have nearly identical, interchangeable autographs being certed by both and one is obviously bad and one is obviously good just by looking at who certed it? it's the cart before the horse. we aren't certing autographs anymore, the autographs are certing the companies?

it should be about the autographs. what makes the psa one good and the TTA one bad? they look the same. people who can't tell will say that the track record of the companies makes one good and one bad, but that's not being honest about what the autographs look like. they look the same. they are interchangeable.

if psa certed the tta one, and tta certed the psa one, opinions about these autograph would flip around and the good one would now be bad, and the bad good, but it's about the autographs and not the authenticators. You can't say this is bad because of who certed it and this is good because of who certed it. if you do, then you have an opinion about the authenticators and not the autographs.

the autographs should be able to pass or fail a blind test, and in this case, a blind test of these two ruth autographs would confuse and stymie people, because they look the same, and people wouldnt know what to think about these because they don't have a preconceived idea of how they should feel because they don't know if psa certed it or tta did.

but its easy to say fake or real by working backwards and look at who authenticated it first then coming to that conclusion instead of looking at the autograph first and coming to the conclusion. that works sometimes but not all the time and by doing it that way, it's an opinion of the authenticators, but not the autographs themselves.

[Wymers Auction]

On the TTA example I think the A is too big and tall and the ascender on the h is too short. Just my guess

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by travrosty

...on the other hand it is ALWAYS fabulous if it is abc or xyz.

look at this ebay auction with certification...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item19cff491e0

I'm wondering how a 1940s style Ruth signature found its way onto a pre-1925 OAL baseball.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I'd love to see the ball it's signed on.

It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned.

Jake, I would love to know what you mean by "It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned."

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Jake, I would love to know what you mean by "It's a fabulous fake signature and anyone on this board would be hard pressed to say it was a fake if TTA wasn't mentioned."

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

Travis, are you related to Jake or a spokesperson for him? I am asking Jake.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Travis, are you related to Jake or a spokesperson for him? I am asking Jake.

Thanks Travis.

I meant what I said. If that's not straightforward enough for you, I can't help that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think its a pretty straightforward statement.

Travis, you and I have major differences of opinions when it comes to the hobby, and at this point, we probably don't like each other.

Approximately a month ago I stopped myself from allowing you to bait me into those petty squabbles that we would go back & forth on (the ones that would piss off the other members and I don't blame for being pissed) and I would like to keep it that way. The other two members here that used to bait me, are on my ignore list, so I can no longer see their comments.

So, with all due respect, if I address a certain member with a question, please don't reply to it. I have no idea why you continue to bait me, but I ask that you stop for the sake of the other members.

[travrosty]

I dont dislilke you, you are okay.


I am not baiting anybody. i have my opinion too. free speech is for everybody.

like you said, there is an ignore button. i dont have anyone on ignore, but if you want to , use it.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The other two members here that used to bait me, are on my ignore list, so I can no longer see their comments.

That ignore list is the numero uno app on Net54 .

[Fredskinz]

Thanks Steve... Big Dave- I've been collecting for years, but have never come across TTA (not sure why)... But I research everything... He sent me the pics, and once he finally offered up who the COA was with, I immediately researched the company... Once I realized there were issues, I posted here... I had no preconceived notions about TTA, but since it wasnt a PSA, JSA, GAI, etc, I decided to investigate further... I'm very glad a forum like this exists so collectors have a place to gather further knowledge about the hobby... Lesson learned

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

If the guy had not mentioned TTA, would your opinions be the same? I personally think that guy made a mistake mentioning that instead just asking your opinions. Automatically you condemned the autograph because it was TTA certified.

This is a very good point. I wish the OP had done as you say. However, I have to echo what was posted above. I have seen so damn much garbage certed by TTA that I cannot accept anything with the cert.

[Deertick]

Serious question: Why does it look like it is a Pony League (was gonna say Babe Ruth League) ball that was signed in crayon?

If authentic, what ball / writing implement combo would it be?

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Serious question: Why does it look like it is a Pony League (was gonna say Babe Ruth League) ball that was signed in crayon?

If authentic, what ball / writing implement combo would it be?

Now that this thread has calmed down a bit, can anyone answer the above?