FS: Two signed 1920s Yankee baseballs SOLD!

[David Atkatz]

Again unlike you, Richard, I have absolutely nothing to hide. So let's try to clear some of the smoke you've been blowing up everyone's asses.

In 2005 I purchased--for my own collection--a Ruth/Gehrig ball. It came with a full PSA/DNA certificate.
In order to raise cash to pay for the '27 ball, I decided to sell it, and listed it on eBay. I posted large, high-res close-up photos of all sides (as I always do), and, not being a complete idiot, I mentioned it was PSA authenticated, and posted a large photo of the letter.
I received a few offers. One, in particular, was from a would-be buyer in Southern California. I told him his offer was a bit low. He replied, asking me if I had a number in mind, but before I could answer, the auction was pulled. I then replied, and told him what had happened. He was still interested, asked for a scan of the cert, and sent it to PSA. Evidently, he was OK with what they told him, because he purchased the ball. Before doing so, though, he said he was going to bring the ball and CoA to PSA, and if they determined the cert was bogus could he return the ball to me. I assured him he could.

So, yes, I sold the ball after eBay pulled the auction. I answered Jon's question by marking both postings "SOLD."

If anyone feels I did anything dishonest, please get in touch, or feel free to post here. I really would like to know.

[thetruthisoutthere]

You, Richard--not Chris--were the one who "alerted" me. (In your nasty, snide, smarmy way.) Not coming right out and saying it, of course, but just using your sarcastic little bits of innuendo. Something you can always be proud of.

The above did occur after I forwarded the photos of your '27 Yankees ball to Richard. I asked Richard's opinion on those autographs. Your '27 Yankees avatar caught my eye back in August 2011. I requested photos from you and you kindly obliged. The moment I viewed them I knew immediately it was not authentic. I asked Richard to look at them and he agreed.

If you do not want to admit that my emails aroused your suspicions about the ball, then Richard's certainly did.

The truth is, if I didn't request photographs of that '27 baseball, that '27 Yankees baseball would still be your avatar and this thread would not exist.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

You, Richard--not Chris--were the one who "alerted" me. (In your nasty, snide, smarmy way.) Not coming right out and saying it, of course, but just using your sarcastic little bits of innuendo. Something you can always be proud of.

The above did occur after I forwarded the photos of your '27 Yankees ball to Richard. I asked Richard's opinion on those autographs. Your '27 Yankees avatar caught my eye back in August 2011. I requested photos from you and you kindly obliged. The moment I viewed them I knew immediately it was not authentic. I asked Richard to look at them and he agreed.

If you do not want to admit that my emails aroused your suspicions about the ball, then Richard's certainly did.

The truth is, if I didn't request photographs of that '27 baseball, that '27 Yankees baseball would still be your avatar and this thread would not exist.

Well, then pat yourself on the back. Oh, wait... that's what you've been doing.

Once Richard confirmed your suspicions, why didn't either of you tell me? There were no emails from you, and Richard didn't drop the first snide little hint until I pissed him off on Halloween. (Could it be because you're both nasty, devious, little pr*cks?)

[jgmp123]

David,

Let me be the first of many to say that Richard and Chris have added a great deal to this site and helped out many people who, otherwise would have wasted hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on forgeries.

They are a major asset to this site and judging by the response you have taken to them in this thread, it looks like they helped you out at one point as well...Now quit being bitter about the past and put this thing to rest.

[yanks12025]

I dont want to get involved, but I've been curious about that also. If both of you guys knew it wasn't good, why didn't someone tell David it then. But in stead you kept it from him and made little hints. To me that's bad for the hobby, we're supposed to be helping each other whether we like one another or not. I'd hope if I had a fake item, someone would inform me instead of me still believing it to be good.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I dont want to get involved, but I've been curious about that also. If both of you guys knew it wasn't good, why didn't someone tell David it then. But in stead you kept it from him and made little hints. To me that's bad for the hobby, we're supposed to be helping each other whether we like one another or not. I'd hope if I had a fake item, someone would inform me instead of me still believing it to be good.

I inform people who have been helpful and courteous on Net54 if I feel they are showing something that is not authentic.

I have saved a number of Net54 member remarks made about David which would imply that he has not been helpful or courteous.
Thanks Fuddj,,, yours is the highlight of those remarks .

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Again unlike you, Richard, I have absolutely nothing to hide. So let's try to clear some of the smoke you've been blowing up everyone's asses.

In 2005 I purchased--for my own collection--a Ruth/Gehrig ball. It came with a full PSA/DNA certificate.
In order to raise cash to pay for the '27 ball, I decided to sell it, and listed it on eBay. I posted large, high-res close-up photos of all sides (as I always do), and, not being a complete idiot, I mentioned it was PSA authenticated, and posted a large photo of the letter.
I received a few offers. One, in particular, was from a would-be buyer in Southern California. I told him his offer was a bit low. He replied, asking me if I had a number in mind, but before I could answer, the auction was pulled. I then replied, and told him what had happened. He was still interested, asked for a scan of the cert, and sent it to PSA. Evidently, he was OK with what they told him, because he purchased the ball. Before doing so, though, he said he was going to bring the ball and CoA to PSA, and if they determined the cert was bogus could he return the ball to me. I assured him he could.

So, yes, I sold the ball after eBay pulled the auction. I answered Jon's question by marking both postings "SOLD."

If anyone feels I did anything dishonest, please get in touch, or feel free to post here. I really would like to know.

And the fact that ebay pulled a PSA certed ball did not raise any alarms with you?,, how interesting, you had a buyer already so why think about it more than was necessary.
And you felt confident that if he brought the ball to PSA that they would get it right? (hmmm,,, who was trumpeting bravos to Peter Nash for his expose of PSA and Babe Ruth balls, could that have been David? yes it could)
WOW!!! talk about a hypocrite.

[mr2686]

Maybe I missed this, and if so I'm sorry, but does anyone know why the ball was pulled by ebay considering it had a PSA cert? I mean, PSA is approved by EBAY, right?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Maybe I missed this, and if so I'm sorry, but does anyone know why the ball was pulled by ebay considering it had a PSA cert? I mean, PSA is approved by EBAY, right?

There is someone that ebay listens to now, over and above PSA.
I have to maintain that persons anonymity but a PSA cert is no longer a guarantee that your item is untouchable on ebay.

[mr2686]

Doesn't seem hard to figure out who that person might be...and would explain a lot.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Doesn't seem hard to figure out who that person might be...and would explain a lot.

People who can remove items from ebay need anonymity, so if you think you know who it is, please keep it to yourself.
Guaranteed it was not me who removed the ball from ebay.

[yanks12025]

Well David has always been helpful when I've asked him about a item.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And the fact that ebay pulled a PSA certed ball did not raise any alarms with you?,, how interesting, you had a buyer already so why think about it more than was necessary.
And you felt confident that if he brought the ball to PSA that they would get it right? (hmmm,,, who was trumpeting bravos to Peter Nash for his expose of PSA and Babe Ruth balls, could that have been David? yes it could)
WOW!!! talk about a hypocrite.

Hah! So now the final arbiter of whether an autograph is genuine is whether some anonymous person has it pulled from eBay. I suppose, Richard, if an item you listed on eBay that has a PSA cert was pulled, you'd just throw it away.
The ball has a PSA certificate, and the buyer a) knows it was pulled from eBay, and b) can return it if he's unhappy. If anyone but Richard has a problem with that I'd love to know. In fact, I'd love to know how Chris--PSA's unofficial spokesperson--feels about that.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hah! So now the final arbiter of whether an autograph is genuine is whether some anonymous person has it pulled from eBay. I suppose, Richard, if an item you listed on eBay that has a PSA cert was pulled, you'd just throw it away.
The ball has a PSA certificate, and the buyer a) knows it was pulled from eBay, and b) can return it if he's unhappy. If anyone but Richard has a problem with that I'd love to know. In fact, I'd love to know how Chris--PSA's unofficial spokesperson--feels about that.

Chris was the one who pointed it out to me originally. I had not even looked at the thread you started at that moment in time.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hah! So now the final arbiter of whether an autograph is genuine is whether some anonymous person has it pulled from eBay. I suppose, Richard, if an item you listed on eBay that has a PSA cert was pulled, you'd just throw it away.
The ball has a PSA certificate, and the buyer a) knows it was pulled from eBay, and b) can return it if he's unhappy. If anyone but Richard has a problem with that I'd love to know. In fact, I'd love to know how Chris--PSA's unofficial spokesperson--feels about that.

The person is well known and extremely knowledgable, well known to the people on this board.
My items on ebay do not have PSA certs. In 12 years of ebay selling I have never posted an item on ebay with a PSA cert.
And if I ever had an item on ebay that was pulled, I would certainly want to clarify its authenticity rather than race to sell it. You were in such haste because you had a buyer, that you did not even care about the ball being pulled. If you did care you would have investigated it further like you did with the 1927 ball when Chris and I started to post about it. You asked the person you consider to be an expert. Why not ask him about this ball after it was pulled? Would have been easy and quick.
And the guy who bought the ball from you has obviously bought the cert and we have been through that buy the cert BS numerous times on this board.