T206 green Cobb with CYCLE 350 back sells for 3K....some one was FAKED-OUT !

CMIZ5290 · #1 05-25-2012, 08:31 AM

Ted- what i can't figure out is how in the world someone can pull this off without some kind of telling sign? How in the world can they perfectly attach it without any indications?

atx840 · #2 05-25-2012, 08:53 AM

Auction

#3 05-25-2012, 08:56 AM

Again its PSA here.

Kevin look at the board member who has a T205 front/T206 back he made, the guys who add paper back to corners and is unseen. There is ways of doing everything dishonest and PSA will encase them for you a lot of the times.

tedzan · #4 05-25-2012, 08:58 AM

Have you seen professional paper restorers work on an old piece of art ? It's amazing to watch these guys ply their craft.

To remove a T206 front off a common T206 CYCLE 350 (or BROAD LEAF, DRUM, HINDU, etc.) and then replace that front
with a T206 star (Cobb, Matty, etc.) on that blank front is a "piece of cake" for the professional. And, they do it with un-
believable precision, that it fools the graders (PSA, SGC, etc.) virtually every time.

That is the exact process and that's why I refer to these T206 fakes as have been Re-Fronted.

TED Z

CMIZ5290 · #5 05-25-2012, 09:16 AM

truly amazing....what a shame it is to have to worry about these freaking morons in the hobby we all love so much.....

danmckee · #6 05-25-2012, 09:43 AM

I hate to break this to you but this card is only graded "Authentic" by PSA.

And technically both the front and back are Authentic!

The combination just can't exist.

So, is this card graded wrong? Or shouldn't be graded?

I am not sure of the answer but it is tough to argue with Authentic when the entire card is actually Authentic.

Dan

barrysloate · #7 05-25-2012, 10:00 AM

Interesting point Dan, because if I remember correctly the well known Just So Burkett was restored using a different card for its border, and it's also in an AUTHENTIC-ALTERED holder. But something is different with these two examples.

It's pretty clear what was done to the Burkett, and anyone owning it should know it's the product of two different cards. But in the case of the green Cobb/Cycle, wouldn't one assume that the card was issued with a Cycle back and then some alteration took place after the fact?

I believe with Burkett PSA made a conscious decision with its designation; in the case of the Cobb they made a bad mistake. My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab.

tedzan · #8 05-25-2012, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Interesting point Dan, because if I remember correctly the well known Just So Burkett was restored using a different card for its border, and it's also in an AUTHENTIC-ALTERED holder. But something is different with these two examples.

It's pretty clear what was done to the Burkett, and anyone owning it should know it's the product of two different cards. But in the case of the green Cobb/Cycle, wouldn't one assume that the card was issued with a Cycle back and then some alteration took place after the fact?

I believe with Burkett PSA made a conscious decision with its designation; in the case of the Cobb they made a bad mistake. My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab.

Barry Sloate said it best here back in Post #8......

" My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab. "

These re-fronted creations are no longer an original T206 (as printed 100+ years ago). Assigning them the status of "Altered" does not cut it (excuse the pun).
What do we have here, TPG people now trying to be "lawyers", so they can cover their a$$'s ?

Crack these phony cards out of their plastic and burn them. Better yet, save yourself the trouble of cracking them open.....just take an axe to the plastic and
shatter it into 100 fragments.

vintagetoppsguy · #9 05-25-2012, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

These re-fronted creations are no longer an original T206 (as printed 100+ years ago). Assigning them the status of "Altered" does not cut it (excuse the pun).

I agree. That goes beyond ALTERED. However, we learned from the PSA apologists in the "Moral of story..." thread, PSA's "opinion is clearly relevant" and everyones elses is irrelevant in identifying ALTERED cards.

Funny how that thread fell to the bottom of the page so quickly.

Cardboard Junkie · #10 05-25-2012, 11:09 PM

Aloha Leon.....may be biting the hand that feeds some but I would like to suggest a TPG Bash section so we all can show and tell the abominations that are the results of TPG ...and we don't have to worry about our posts getting burried on the bottom or next page. dave.

alanu · #11 05-25-2012, 10:00 AM

I've looked at both the SGC and PSA websites and don't see anywhere they give the standards for their "Authentic" grades, it would be helpful if they had a description similar to the standards/descriptions for their other "grades".

danmckee · #12 05-25-2012, 10:04 AM

Well stated Barry! I truly appreciate your input. A very interesting thought and I see your points. Dan.

barrysloate · #13 05-25-2012, 10:08 AM

Thanks Dan....no way that Cobb should be in a holder.

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