Greatest Ted Williams Auto

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

That probably came form the LLP Auctions forger.

We exposed them so much I thought they would be buried by now.

[Clark7781]

I think the "Greatest" TW autograph is the forged addition of text written on a "warm up" signature of Mr. Williams that his retard son submitted in court stating that his father wanted to be cryonically preserved at Alcor.

And yes, his son was an a**hole. When Teddy was honored at the all star game, instead of wearing his Red Sox hat, Jr had the old man wear a hat with the internet name of him latest venture.

Then, Teddy would be made to sign ball after ball after ball and was quoted along the lines of saying something like this: "I'm 80-soming f**king years old and still work [signing autographs]."

His son was such a scumbag...

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Clark7781

I think the "Greatest" TW autograph is the forged addition of text written on a "warm up" signature of Mr. Williams that his retard son submitted in court stating that his father wanted to be cryonically preserved at Alcor.

And yes, his son was an a**hole. When Teddy was honored at the all star game, instead of wearing his Red Sox hat, Jr had the old man wear a hat with the internet name of him latest venture.

Then, Teddy would be made to sign ball after ball after ball and was quoted along the lines of saying something like this: "I'm 80-soming f**king years old and still work [signing autographs]."

His son was such a scumbag...

I still wonder if John Henry's early demise was karma payback.

[mcgwirecom]

I was at the second 500 HR Club show in AC. I am not a big John Henry fan, but after he walked through the show I noticed that a whole ton of Ted Williams signed stuff had disappeared! He came by our table and stopped to look at a 500 HR Club Bat I had for sale. He asked "whose bat is this?" I said "it's mine" fully expecting him to say it was no good because I had heard he says that about everything. But I knew it was good so I stood right up to argue the point. Then he said, "this is a good one" LOL So my friend snapped this pic of us. He was actually pretty nice, but I know all the stories of how he made his money off the old man. But I think Ted was happy to be around his kids no matter what. John Henry didn't last much longer than his dad.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

We exposed them so much I thought they would be buried by now.

You are right Rich, but it does have a scary resemblance of incompetence.

[Big Dave]

Ted did quit signing for Upper Deck around 1993, and signed for less then two years due to a contractual dispute. He didn't signed for them anymore after that. The signature shown is a very late in life style. The only way Upper Deck could have gotten that, and the signature shown is real, is to have bought it, cause it wasn't signed in their presence.

[AbejasAsesinas]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Ted did quit signing for Upper Deck around 1993, and signed for less then two years due to a contractual dispute. He didn't signed for them anymore after that. The signature shown is a very late in life style. The only way Upper Deck could have gotten that, and the signature shown is real, is to have bought it, cause it wasn't signed in their presence.

This is part of my concern with the print I posted in this thread. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=160994

My UDA cert has a copyright from 1996. I've noticed that many of the Williams autographed prints have a similar date, while most of the baseballs have a 1993 date.

So if UDA did not witness the signature, then they broke part of their claimed 5-step process, or there is a possibility that Teddy may have continued signing with UDA after 1993.

Yea... I'm confused.

ETA: Mystery solved (I think): Here is a SI article stating that Ted Williams and John Henry had a lawsuit with UDA, and after settling out-of-court, Teddy fulfilled the remainder of his contract starting in 1995. Article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...08/4/index.htm

[Big Dave]

Thanks for the link to the story. Really enjoyed the read.

[shelly]

Ted Williams was under contract to UDA. He had a contract to finish off some four hundred baseballs.
. I bought seventy Williams UDA balls. To my surprise half of them look like the ball in the picture. Some believe it or not where worse. When UDA looked at them he was allowed to get out of what ever was still due. . Uda did what they did to all the other players that where under contract and left such as Mantle Koufax and others.They dumped them on the market.
When I showed these to people they thought it was cool because these would be last balls he would sign. Just to let you know the Williams balls where purchase by me for $60 Mantle bats for 500-600.

[jerseygary]

I was at Spring Training in Arizona years ago and was talking to a woman who had something to do with a local town museum and she told me a terrible Williams story. Someone had found an 11x14" original print of Ted at the first Red Sox spring training in Arizona in the 1950's (sorry I can't remember the exact year). The owner of the print donated it to the museum and this woman thought it would be a great item to have signed and put in a prominent place in the little museum. She packed it up and sent it to Ted Williams and it came back signed, but with an invoice from his son for a couple hundred dollars! After a few phone calls back and forth she gave up and mailed the photo back to the son and told him to keep it!

[JimStinson]

My John Henry Story........I was in Crystal River Florida , don;t remember what year but it was right after the museum opened , I was doing a buying campaign The local paper had done a story on me. My phone rings and John Henry introduces himself. Wants to know if I can come by and meet with him, "For what?" I asked and he said he wants me to explain "How I can tell an autograph is REAL". My reply was "You want me to explain in 1 hour what its taken three decades to learn?" he said yes. I asked if his dad would be there and if he was I would spend as many days as he would like to answer his questions about autographs FOR FREE. He said his dad would NOT be there. So I told him thanks but no thanks and that my time was as valuable as his .......It was like because I was in his "backyard" it was mandatory I pay him a visit. Massive entitlement issues ...A wierd kid

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

My John Henry Story........I was in Crystal River Florida , don;t remember what year but it was right after the museum opened , I was doing a buying campaign The local paper had done a story on me. My phone rings and John Henry introduces himself. Wants to know if I can come by and meet with him, "For what?" I asked and he said he wants me to explain "How I can tell an autograph is REAL". My reply was "You want me to explain in 1 hour what its taken three decades to learn?" he said yes. I asked if his dad would be there and if he was I would spend as many days as he would like to answer his questions about autographs FOR FREE. He said his dad would NOT be there. So I told him thanks but no thanks and that my time was as valuable as his .......It was like because I was in his "backyard" it was mandatory I pay him a visit. Massive entitlement issues ...A wierd kid

...and I'm betting he would have taken the info given to him to help him when signing his Dad's name.

[JimStinson]

I didn't want to come across as sounding "paranoid" but I was thinking the exact same thing

[danc]

Glad you didn't give him a crash course. I dealt quite a bit with Vincent in the late 1980's.

I appreciate you Sheldon and your attempt to educate as that ball is wretchedly good, I suppose.

DanC

Babycorn.