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Old 07-30-2022, 09:37 PM
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Trout has played in 12 MLB seasons. 10 are needed for the Hall.

I said he played "8 real seasons", because has number of incomplete seasons.

In 2011 he had 135 plate appearances and hit .220 as a debut.

2020 was a short season and he played 53 games.

In 2021 he played in only 36 games.

In 2022 he has played in 79 games, and appears to be done for the year.

12-4 equals 8 full seasons.

If people could simply read what is actually written, this wouldn't need to be broken down.
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I'm not ashamed of my rabbit hole Bob. It never crossed my mind that you were asking for anything other than a medical opinion. Given the content of your voluminous "taxing" posts, I am quite surprised that you would have expected anything else.

I have purchased one Trout baseball card which I gave to a grandson. I'm am generally disinterested in threads concerning who should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I could care less. Trout's current situation will be resolved one way or the other regardless of the consensus opinion of Net54. Five years from now we will all know more about the impact of his condition on his career and this thread will be long forgotten.
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I'm not ashamed of my rabbit hole Bob. It never crossed my mind that you were asking for anything other than a medical opinion. Given the content of your voluminous "taxing" posts, I am quite surprised that you would have expected anything else.

I have purchased one Trout baseball card which I gave to a grandson. I'm am generally disinterested in threads concerning who should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I could care less. Trout's current situation will be resolved one way or the other regardless of the consensus opinion of Net54. Five years from now we will all know more about the impact of his condition on his career and this thread will be long forgotten.
If he just wanted your opinion as a collector and fan why the preface to the question at all? We're all collectors and fans. Certainly a fair reading.
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Trout has played in 12 MLB seasons. 10 are needed for the Hall.

I said he played "8 real seasons", because has number of incomplete seasons.

In 2011 he had 135 plate appearances and hit .220 as a debut.

2020 was a short season and he played 53 games.

In 2021 he played in only 36 games.

In 2022 he has played in 79 games, and appears to be done for the year.

12-4 equals 8 full seasons.

If people could simply read what is actually written, this wouldn't need to be broken down.

I agree with you here, and was a reason i used 8 in the hypothetical and when i was 'corrected' i didnt want to get in the back and forth
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Well, Pujols has been mediocre since 2011 and it hasn't seemed to hurt his legacy.
Because counting stats save the day for the ones that pound in the years to a ripe playing age..
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I agree with you here, and was a reason i used 8 in the hypothetical and when i was 'corrected' i didnt want to get in the back and forth
The transcript demonstrates you very much did not; you used it as 8 total seasons.
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The transcript demonstrates you very much did not; you used it as 8 total seasons.
when i stated i was citing 8 from a poster, i clarified where I received the 8 from.,...you can see it quoted with 'real seasons' from YOUR quote

i did use the term total 8 but was in the context of 8 real seasons , i didnt come up with 8 out of the blue.. it was from the prior post as I stated i cited..

so yes sorry used the wrong term initially but when used your quote of 'real seasons' i thought people understood.....Thus the trancript would demonstrate the correction.....take away all of my babe ruth cards for my initial use of the term...

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Is Carlos Gonzalez a HOFer if he retires tomorrow? Baseball Reference has him as a comp as a "Similar Batter" to Trout. I mostly follow the Astros and the AL, so I had never heard of Gonzalez until I looked up Trout's comps today (JD Drew, David Justice, Wally Berger, etc.) Mike Trout is more of a baseball card phenomenon. Are Gonzalez's cards worth a lot of money? Anyway, best of luck to Trout.
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CarGo: .285/.343/.500/112 OPS+

Trout: .303/.416/.584/176 OPS+

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When people talk about his legacy, I sort of think that the main thing is that it's the man's life, and the question should be, how does he want to live the next few years.

If he loves to play baseball, maybe he'd rather continue to play, even if his production was mediocre and his "legacy" was being diminished. If it was me, my first concern would be health, second would be, what do I want to do, and somewhere after that would be the legacy thing.

In other words, I think fans, who have plenty of ballplayers past, present, and future to talk about and collect, care more about legacy than Mike Trout himself should. There is so much more to the man's life than the numbers he is putting in the record books. If he loves the game and being active in it, that's more important to him than what his career WAR or whatever will be.
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The rule is 10.
funny when you say 10 seasons..i assume it to be maybe the player played a few games in a 11th or 12th year..i understand the 10 to be 10 real seasons..... thats i interpret when I see you post 10...
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funny when you say 10 seasons..i assume it to be maybe the player played a few games in a 11th or 12th year..i understand the 10 to be 10 real seasons..... thats i interpret when I see you post 10...
This is not complicated.
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This is not complicated.


It sure seems that way...I'll give this discussion a '10' on the boring and unnecessary scale.


...and our time would be better served if we just order out and '8'!



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It sure seems that way...I'll give this discussion a '10' on the boring and unnecessary scale.


...and our time would be better served if we just order out and '8'!



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Is Carlos Gonzalez a HOFer if he retires tomorrow? Baseball Reference has him as a comp as a "Similar Batter" to Trout. I mostly follow the Astros and the AL, so I had never heard of Gonzalez until I looked up Trout's comps today (JD Drew, David Justice, Wally Berger, etc.) Mike Trout is more of a baseball card phenomenon. Are Gonzalez's cards worth a lot of money? Anyway, best of luck to Trout.

The similarity scores listed on Baseball Reference for still active players is pretty head-scratching. You notice Mike Trout's name is nowhere to be found on JD Drews, David Justice, Carlos Gonzalez, Wally Bergers pages.

As another example Aaron Judge has Miguel Sano and Bob Cerv listed on his Top 10 similar batters section. Better to just throw at a random dart board or pick names out of hat.

Best to just skip to the "Similar Batters through 29", and "Most Similar by Ages" sections.
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I think it's a fun tool to generate names, if not really a scientific one. I noticed Darryl Strawberry popped-up on Justice's page, and Trout's page. Strawberry was going to be the greatest hitter of all-time, and was hyped even more than Trout.

To me, all these guys were stars. I can't figure out why I don't remember Cargo. He had an awesome 2010 season at Coors. I certainly recognize Helton, Tulowitzki and Fowler's names. It must be that I knew who he was in 2010, but can't recall that memory.
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yeah the injury looks really serious....the next 0-18 or whatever there will be someone else saying 'whats wrong with trout' ..lol
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https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-...straight-games


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I remember when Mattingly was going for Dale Long's record. Mattingly was a huge star back then. I don't know a player today that you could compare to him, maybe Judge. I had forgotten Griffey did it also. I hope Trout keeps rolling and sets a new record.
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WOW What Trout is Doing 7 in a Row

Hopefully someday it will be done in meaningful games
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Hopefully someday it will be done in meaningful games
all games are meaningful when money on the line
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all games are meaningful when money on the line
no money on the line for him. He has a super long term contract and guarenteed. So if he performs or not he gets paid. and then your team is always so far under .500 and so far out of first it is hard for me to believe any of his games are meaningful

But regardless he keeps himself motivated and he keeps performing. Simply Amazing
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The concerns have aged well!
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no money on the line for him. He has a super long term contract and guarenteed. So if he performs or not he gets paid. and then your team is always so far under .500 and so far out of first it is hard for me to believe any of his games are meaningful

But regardless he keeps himself motivated and he keeps performing. Simply Amazing
always a next contract...money is always on the line, they are changing the rules of the shift because of money. Money never sleeps
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He's under contract until he's 40 years old. There is no other contract and money is not worth talking about vis a vis Trout.
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Money never sleeps is right
And their will be no other contract for Trout
And he is still not playing meaningful games (and has not for many years)

But he keeps himself motivated and he still performs. Hopefully he stays healthy and he could be one of the all time greats ( just sad he has not been able to make his mark/legend in the playoffs)
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Money never sleeps is right
And their will be no other contract for Trout
And he is still not playing meaningful games (and has not for many years)

But he keeps himself motivated and he still performs. Hopefully he stays healthy and he could be one of the all time greats ( just sad he has not been able to make his mark/legend in the playoffs)
we shall see.. Peyton manning won superbowls end of career...tom brady won championships in his 40s....still money to be made.
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Maybe it would be better to say you didn’t realize he’s already locked up for the next decade.
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Maybe it would be better to say you didn’t realize he’s already locked up for the next decade.
crazy stuff happens during contracts.. ....theres a lot of money to be made outside a contract as well when its an elite talent involved...if you think contract is all income he will ever make and is locked in to that maybe you didnt realize that as well..
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You didn't bring endorsements up at all. I didn't realize we were talking about them. That is true.
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You didn't bring endorsements up at all. I didn't realize we were talking about them. That is true.
right money never sleeps, i would bet most of the star athletes made more money on endorsements than salary.
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Multiple websites would tell you that Mike Trout is only making between 2.5 and 3 million dollars in endorsements against a 37 million dollar contract.
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Post 74 specifies another contract. There won’t be another big contract for Trout at age 40. He can barely stay healthy and active at 30.
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Multiple websites would tell you that Mike Trout is only making between 2.5 and 3 million dollars in endorsements against a 37 million dollar contract.
even more reason to perform and gives him incentive. proving my point.

Also endorsement deals go way beyond playing career and are the main income post career that can span 30 years..

Steph Curry and Lebron both make more in endorsements then salary..even if dont make as much in endorsements then salary...still making an extra millions of dollars is still incentive to perform as well..proving my point yet again...money never sleeps...

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even more reason to perform and gives him incentive. proving my point.

Also endorsement deals go way beyond playing career and are the main income post career that can span 30 years..

Steph Curry and Lebron both make more in endorsements then salary..even if dont make as much in endorsements then salary...still making an extra millions of dollars is still incentive to perform as well..proving my point yet again...money never sleeps...
maybe we should start a Go Fund Me page for Trout.
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as always but boy has he been been on a hot streak since he came back from his most recent injury
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He excels in garbage time.
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He excels in garbage time.
He excels throughout the season. His lowest career OPS in any month is .961.

When the Angels lose a game, his OPS is .852.

When he has 2 strikes, his OPS is .728.

I don't think we need to limit when he excels, because he excels basically all the time.
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He excels throughout the season. His lowest career OPS in any month is .961.

When the Angels lose a game, his OPS is .852.

When he has 2 strikes, his OPS is .728.

I don't think we need to limit when he excels, because he excels basically all the time.
Does he excel in the Playoffs?

You like posting his numbers, post those.

I want to see how he excels all the time.

How does he do head-to-head vs Verlander, Kershaw & Scherzer?...the only 3 pitchers from his era that will be HOFers one day.

Show me all the numbers you like to post.

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Does he excel in the Playoffs?

You like posting his numbers, post those.

I want to see how he excels all the time.

How does he do head-to-head vs Verlander, Kershaw & Scherzer?...the only 3 pitchers from his era that will be HOFers one day.

Show me all the numbers you like to post.
He has a .600 OPS in his 15 playoff plate appearances

.539 against Verlander.

.704 against Kershaw.

.625 against Scherzer.


Do you have anything to suggest Trout is anything besides excellent? Or just trying to find a hot take? What is the objection to people posting numbers?
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He has a .600 OPS in his 15 playoff plate appearances

.539 against Verlander.

.704 against Kershaw.

.625 against Scherzer.


Do you have anything to suggest Trout is anything besides excellent? Or just trying to find a hot take? What is the objection to people posting numbers?
lifetime batting averages vs all 3 please

and where are the Playoff numbers?

I don't give a shit about OPS.........we all know he likes to walk. BA please

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What does garbage time mean? He's won 3 MVP awards and Rookie of the Year. Those are awards given out for full season performance. If you're saying every regular season game is garbage time then how can you emphasize the playoffs. You need to win these games to get there.
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here let me help
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and some mighty fine playoff numbers
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What does garbage time mean? He's won 3 MVP awards and Rookie of the Year. Those are awards given out for full season performance. If you're saying every regular season game is garbage time then how can you emphasize the playoffs. You need to win these games to get there.
He's definitely a good player, just nothing extra special in my eyes. Of course 90% of the baseball I watch is Post Season, pretty much never miss a game, that's why I never see him play.

Definitely a me first player. He likes his money, nothing wrong with that.

He will never win a World Series. Prima Donna.

You don't want him on your team.

But I understand you New Jersey boys & East Coasters need a
Great White Hope.

And time has proven, he ain't it.

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The playoff figure was, actually, in 91, if you read it.

Great white hope? I see we’ve chosen to go the batshit nuts route instead of any honest analysis. As always.
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I'm wondering who is a special player in your mind if not Trout or Harper.
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I'm wondering who is a special player in your mind if not Trout or Harper.
Sticking with just hitters off the top of my head from about 2000 on I'll go
Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, Vlad Guerrero, Manny Ramirez, Ichiro and probably Aaron Judge over your 2.

I might be missing a few too, can't think of everyone.
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Sticking with just hitters off the top of my head from about 2000 on I'll go
Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, Vlad Guerrero, Manny Ramirez, Ichiro and probably Aaron Judge over your 2.

I might be missing a few too, can't think of everyone.
That's an interesting list. Barry has no championships. Aaron Judge has no championships. Ichiro has no championships. Miguel Cabrera hasn't appeared in the postseason since 2014.
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