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Has Walpole embraced the moral outrage and changed the name of the sports teams from the Rebels? I guess they long ago painted over the Confederate Battle Flag that was painted on the rock wall at the football field. I owned a house on Common St at the corner of Clapp (Dutch colonial) for most of the 1990's.
Nope, they are leaning into the outrage. The flag has been painted over. I know that house, really nice spot! We have friends that live on Common, just on the other side of the high school.
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I can recall a few short years ago where every major auction occasioned weeks of heated anticipation on the board. Now they just come and go without barely a comment. Last week Heritage had a three night major auction. Not one comment that I recall. As others have said, just so many auctions. Need a red Cobb? Or a Goudey Yellow Gehrig? Or a Jackie PSA 1 or 2. They'll seemingly be dozens and dozens more. Why get excited.

Most of the fresh blood in the hobby is for modern refractors and the like. My prediction is after the National prices will dip hard in most areas. People will see that there is a lot more excitement for Jasson Dominguez and Tua stained glass refractor cards than there is for Leafs and Goudeys. Not a bad thing for the hobby. It is what it is. I think people are throwing their money away but I thought Amazon was overpriced at $125.

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I don't collect cards because they're valuable. If the modern market would explode and the pre-war market would bottom out I would be the happiest collector in the country.
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I don't collect cards because they're valuable. If the modern market would explode and the pre-war market would bottom out I would be the happiest collector in the country.
I understand your feeling.
But it is a double edge sword.
I am more a collector then an investor but I do flip some cards so I can either upgrade or add to my collection
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Imagine going back to a time when you didn't need to flip anything and could just collect.
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Unless you figure out a way to take them with you when you depart this realm, someone somewhere is going to be selling your collection to someone. I enjoy my collection a great deal and certainly hope I or my heirs can sell it all someday and make a nice profit. Unless I want the cards loaded into my coffin I’m not sure what the alternative is.



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A great deal of material available. I thought the story was that mom threw out all the cards. I guess a lot of mom's did not !

I agree with sensory overlook. Can't look at all the auctions etc. Just missed a Wolverine Cobb on Heritage. Didn't even receive an email etc from them.
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A great deal of material available. I thought the story was that mom threw out all the cards. I guess a lot of mom's did not !

I agree with sensory overlook. Can't look at all the auctions etc. Just missed a Wolverine Cobb on Heritage. Didn't even receive an email etc from them.
Have you seen the Red Cobb back run coming up in the August Heritage? Some fantastic cards.
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I don't collect cards because they're valuable. If the modern market would explode and the pre-war market would bottom out I would be the happiest collector in the country.
Wouldn't mind that either, at the end of the day, the closest I've gotten to selling would be flipping one of my cards to put the money towards another vintage card I want.

I'll occasionally buy a couple of packs of modern, just to have something to rip, and the moment I do, I say to myself "could've just put it towards something vintage"
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Perhaps we have all gotten a bit spoiled by the multitude of blockbuster REA auctions over the years. The current auction looks great, initial bidding response strong and there should be something for all vintage junkies. Also, I suspect excitement about this week's National have some folks guarding their wallets in anticipation. Post Nat'l the 2nd week should see some serious action, as people are able to see the actual auction cards in REA's cases and may be disappointed in their luck in Chicago.
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I would love to understand where the flood of material is coming from. Is a whole generation of major collectors getting out, are card doctors stepping up their game/moving more of their accumulated inventory, some of each, something else?
If one concurs that a bull market peaked this past spring (which of course is debatable on another thread ) the consignment decisions from that time period would now be showing up at REA and Mile High, etc., no?
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Perhaps we have all gotten a bit spoiled by the multitude of blockbuster REA auctions over the years.
It's not just REA, it's all the big ones. I mean, even the fact that REA is headlined by a nice T206 Wagner isn't even a big deal. There have been several of those sold in recent months/years - it's just not unusual or exceptional anymore to see items like that offered.
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I can attest to that! The couple of times I ran through Newton and hit those hills at mile 20 or so it felt like there was no air in Newton, fresh or not!

And FWIW, Peter is one of the best things going on this forum.
Those hills were killer, that's for sure!! Congrats on your finishes, too! 08,10 and 11 for me (charity fundraiser all 3x). Can't speak to the air in Newton as I was just happy to be moving forward and able to breathe at that point...haha!
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Donít get me wrong, I think it is a solid auction even without the Wagner, especially for 19th century. I was just wondering why more people arenít talking about it.
No Detroit though.
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My excitement at seeing the offerings was immediately tempered by the sky-high bidding only hours into it.
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Look, there are people (see above) who prefer their hobby through rose-colored glasses, and I get that.
They have slab values to protect so please take a break from posting about all the scandals and hobby issues 24/7/365. You can come back when you can post something positive about the hobby. Didn't your mommy teach you to keep quiet if you have nothing nice to say?
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They have slab values to protect so please take a break from posting about all the scandals and hobby issues 24/7/365. You can come back when you can post something positive about the hobby. Didn't your mommy teach you to keep quiet if you have nothing nice to say?
I'm headed to the corner for a time out, then to the blackboard to write "I love the hobby" 50 times.
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Iím kind of in the middle on this brew ha ha. I think the hobby is doing great and vintage is gonna cook these next few years. I donít really agree with all the negativity around the TPGs but yeah there are definitely issues with cheats and card doctoring no doubt. Gonna be Switzerland on this one. Definitely an entertaining thread in any event.
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I'm headed to the corner for a time out, then to the blackboard to write "I love the hobby" 50 times.
Your opinion is highly informed. You have excellent, thorough, researched opinions. I respect that.

However.

In this thread, you posted 5 of the first 10 posts.

In this Jordan thread, you had 18 of the 77 posts.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=305262&page=2

I get it - you found that there are cheaters. Bravo. Thank you. Thanks for the warning.

I just don't need to read the same material over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

.... and over and over and over.

Have a nice day.
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I can promise you not everyone feels the way you do. You have your right to your opinion just like everyone else. I appreciate all of Peter's (hi Peter) posts even when I disagree with what he said .

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Your opinion is highly informed. You have excellent, thorough, researched opinions. I respect that.

However.

In this thread, you posted 5 of the first 10 posts.

In this Jordan thread, you had 18 of the 77 posts.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=305262&page=2

I get it - you found that there are cheaters. Bravo. Thank you. Thanks for the warning.

I just don't need to read the same material over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

.... and over and over and over.

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Many of my posts are responding to people or specifically answering questions, there is still such a thing in life as dialogue, but in any event, just put me on ignore, it's easy enough to do. Problem solved. Have a nice day too.
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Many of my posts are responding to people or specifically answering questions, there is still such a thing in life as dialogue, but in any event, just put me on ignore, it's easy enough to do. Problem solved. Have a nice day too.
Many of your posts on BST are giving away cards to kids for free, your generosity as a collector on this forum gives you carty blanchy (sic) to post as much as you want IMHO.
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I was talking to a client this morning. His company has been buying businesses like crazy this year (vacation rentals). He says many sellers are concerned about possible changes in capital gains taxes.

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I noticed that in this auction there's a PSA 8 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (lot 5) that started at a minimum bid of $25,000 and an SGC 8 Topps 1952 Jackie Robinson (lot 6) that started at a minimum bid of $10,000.
My question: Why did REA start the bidding at such a WIDE disparity? The centering on the PSA card MIGHT be a tad better. Might.
Why do I ask? I have a SGC 7.5 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson and I'm wondering if I should break it out (when I am ready to sell) and roll the dice by submitting to PSA.
I am planning to go to the National and will ask REA this question BUT I thought the forum might have some insights. What am I missing? Thanks. Peace.
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I noticed that in this auction there's a PSA 8 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (lot 5) that started at a minimum bid of $25,000 and an SGC 8 Topps 1952 Jackie Robinson (lot 6) that started at a minimum bid of $10,000.
My question: Why did REA start the bidding at such a WIDE disparity? The centering on the PSA card MIGHT be a tad better. Might.
Why do I ask? I have a SGC 7.5 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson and I'm wondering if I should break it out (when I am ready to sell) and roll the dice by submitting to PSA.
I am planning to go to the National and will ask REA this question BUT I thought the forum might have some insights. What am I missing? Thanks. Peace.
Prob the consigned asked for that price as starting bid.

I would absolutely not break it out and send to PSA. SGC 7.5 is Great :-)
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I noticed that in this auction there's a PSA 8 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (lot 5) that started at a minimum bid of $25,000 and an SGC 8 Topps 1952 Jackie Robinson (lot 6) that started at a minimum bid of $10,000.
My question: Why did REA start the bidding at such a WIDE disparity? The centering on the PSA card MIGHT be a tad better. Might.
Why do I ask? I have a SGC 7.5 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson and I'm wondering if I should break it out (when I am ready to sell) and roll the dice by submitting to PSA.
I am planning to go to the National and will ask REA this question BUT I thought the forum might have some insights. What am I missing? Thanks. Peace.
Often the consignor has input regarding where they want the bidding to start. Perhaps that happened in this case. I know PSA slabs sell for more, but have found that 7-8 times out of ten, the SGC card will be superior to the PSA card with the same grade.
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I noticed that in this auction there's a PSA 8 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (lot 5) that started at a minimum bid of $25,000 and an SGC 8 Topps 1952 Jackie Robinson (lot 6) that started at a minimum bid of $10,000.
My question: Why did REA start the bidding at such a WIDE disparity? The centering on the PSA card MIGHT be a tad better. Might.
Why do I ask? I have a SGC 7.5 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson and I'm wondering if I should break it out (when I am ready to sell) and roll the dice by submitting to PSA.
I am planning to go to the National and will ask REA this question BUT I thought the forum might have some insights. What am I missing? Thanks. Peace.
PSA is CRUSHING cards these days. I am not believing the gorgeous 6s I am seeing that people are showing me. Probably a colossal failure of AI and failure of graders to override the AI grade. The problem is now that they are fingerprinting cards good luck ever getting them to change it.
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Thank you, gentlemen, for your insights. Three veteran Net54ers sharing their knowledge. Isn't that what this forum is all about?!?
I didn't know I could exercise that kind of clout with an auction house. I remember REA's Calvin Arnold asking me what I was expecting price-wise when I turned over to him my Topps 1971 and 1972 baseball sets earlier this year. I told him, "Calvin, whatever the market is at this time is fine with me. Please, just keep the auction honest (no shill bidders)."
You learn something new every day, right? Peace.

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I noticed that in this auction there's a PSA 8 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (lot 5) that started at a minimum bid of $25,000 and an SGC 8 Topps 1952 Jackie Robinson (lot 6) that started at a minimum bid of $10,000.
My question: Why did REA start the bidding at such a WIDE disparity? The centering on the PSA card MIGHT be a tad better. Might.
Why do I ask? I have a SGC 7.5 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson and I'm wondering if I should break it out (when I am ready to sell) and roll the dice by submitting to PSA.
I am planning to go to the National and will ask REA this question BUT I thought the forum might have some insights. What am I missing? Thanks. Peace.
I sold my 52Jack at auction in the Spring head to head, my SGC4 against a PSA 4. Mine was the nicer card by a small margin. It sold for 3K less than the PSA. If you have a 6.5 it will sell well either way, especially if it has eye appeal. Take it to the National and ask PSA what grade they would put on it.
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I sold my 52Jack at auction in the Spring head to head, my SGC4 against a PSA 4. Mine was the nicer card by a small margin. It sold for 3K less than the PSA. If you have a 6.5 it will sell well either way, especially if it has eye appeal. Take it to the National and ask PSA what grade they would put on it.


..What would PSA charge to look at an SGC card and tell the owner what the crossed grade would be ?? Would they even be able to do that at an overwhelmed National set-up ?

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..What would PSA charge to look at an SGC card and tell the owner what the crossed grade would be ?? Would they even be able to do that at an overwhelmed National set-up ?

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Maybe, might be best to have REA back door it for an opinion in exchange for a potential consignment.
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Quick answer, Mike, is no. They wouldn't have the time.
My SGC 7.5 '52 Jackie Robinson is a real beauty that I am proud to own.
If I am BRUTALLY honest, my initial question on this subject reveals a bit of greed on my part, especially if you look at how the prices on the two '52 Robinsons in the current auction have gone over the past few days. I am still going to ask REA about the HUGE initial differential simply because it smells of preference, IMHO.
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I can only speak for myself. The major consignments I've gotten in over the last year or so have all been either older collectors who are realizing that there is no interest in the collection from the next generation of their family.

or

The next generation of the family dealing with a collection that has been left behind.

Many of scenario #2 have been sitting on the cards for some time now but all the mainstream press about cards has hit the general public's radar and motivated them to act.

Sad side note, even some of these legacy collections that have been in one set of hands for decades are not free from the insidious card doctors. Collections that were still being added to more recently are RIDDLED with problem cards. It's astonishing. I've got trimmed 1952 Topps Mantle, Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth Red, Altered 1934 Goudey Gehrig, a stunning 1949 Duke Snider rookie that is probably trimmed, it goes on and on.

Oh and almost all of these collections are raw.

Just my personal observation I can't speak for every auction.
These cards could have been trimmed back in the disco days for all we know. The Rosen book I recently read pointed out that cards have been getting altered for a long time.
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Quick answer, Mike, is no. They wouldn't have the time.
My SGC 7.5 '52 Jackie Robinson is a real beauty that I am proud to own.
If I am BRUTALLY honest, my initial question on this subject reveals a bit of greed on my part, especially if you look at how the prices on the two '52 Robinsons in the current auction have gone over the past few days. I am still going to ask REA about the HUGE initial differential simply because it smells of preference, IMHO.
Ask Brian if he can get a pre grade opinion from PSA, if it crosses at 7.5 or even a 7 PSA you're in business and will be very happy. The more interesting question to me is what card you're going to buy with the money.
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These cards could have been trimmed back in the disco days for all we know. The Rosen book I recently read pointed out that cards have been getting altered for a long time.
No doubt. Doesn't change anything I said though.
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You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

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Peter is a solid member here. I don't always agree with his posts but they are always on-point and interesting.
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Anyone else having an issue logging into REA? Every time I do it says I need to update my password. But every time I update my password the site doesn't recognize the new password when I go to log in. I have to enter the old password again and am prompted endlessly to update it.
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Anyone else having an issue logging into REA? Every time I do it says I need to update my password. But every time I update my password the site doesn't recognize the new password when I go to log in. I have to enter the old password again and am prompted endlessly to update it.
I had to update my password a few days ago and also confirm my account information, but since I did the update, I have logged in with my new password with no issues.
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I finally got it to work.
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Peter I think itís coming from guys who are long time collectors that think these numbers are to good to be true and they think heíll why not time some stuff. Most prob never thought in the 90ís stuff would be selling like this.

Thatís just my theory...take some risk off the table.
This is my philosophy of late, I have switched to obscure issues and errors as I refuse to bury myself in losses when this returns to the norm. It has been a fight to not clear the drawers with all this new blood in the water when these new collectors are buying like this is 2007 real estate and completely bought into the "investment". I'll be back buying the good pieces in a few years that are soaking in the tears of these noobs.

...also Peter is amazing and needed on this forum for his knowledge and honesty. He'll also still be here in years unlike the rotating cast of characters, lol.
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