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There is no deception in art restoration. There is a world of deception in baseball card restoration/alteration, because rarely is any of it disclosed, and the whole point is to make a card look better and grade higher while deceiving the grading companies and potential buyers into thinking it's original.
As I said, if the restoration in this case is no big deal, then the consignor should have no objection to its disclosure. But something tells me the consignor would have been furious if PWCC had posted a picture of the SGC 50 in the auction and explained the work done by Towle or whoever did it. Can't have it both ways. If it's acceptable and even a good thing as some seem to be saying, you should have no objection to disclosure.
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i highly doubt this card was "just" soaked!
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Maybe a little bleach, a little of this, a lot of that.......
Look at that REA version of the card. If those lighter spots are the original color of the card, then that's not "toning". That's a stain! I'd guess it was soaked out of a scrapbook. The "toning" is glue residue that seeped into the paper, and the lighter marks are one of three things. #1. Old tape that covered that area, and then deteriorated #2. Something similar to stamp mounts #3. The evidence of whatever tool was used to hold the card in place when it was taking it's chemical bath |
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Interesting debate. When I go to sell my house I'm hoping to brush over a couple of 100 flaws/issues. I won't actively deceive anyone, or make any affirmative claims that are false, but I'm going to do everything I can to make the house present well and detract attention away from its shortcomings. Might slap some paint on the side of the house that turns to hell after a few months for some odd reason. May scrub the garage door that always attracts some green mold crud. Does that make me a bad guy?
Did anyone ever answer how we know this is the same card? Last edited by Snapolit1; 02-04-2017 at 07:26 AM. |
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Disagree all you want to. It is a chat board. The reality is that if a grader can't see a fault they aren't going to discount the grade for it. No matter how much you disagree it won't change that fact.
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The same discoloration marks on the front are still visible on both....even the cleaned up card. Also, same centering and same print/toning dots on back of card. |
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You said among other(s) after that? Have 1 more cup, I am.
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Vintage car restoration is acceptable (and disclosed) but collectors pay way way more for untouched, original paint, low mileage jewels that are "condition rarities". The value goes way down if a car(d) is sold as original and then you find out it was reconditioned. That, my friends, is fraud. I would have loved to own that DiMaggio if I could afford it but now it is a lie in a holder.
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its pretty obvious its the same card...just look at the before and after for christ sake?
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Who said it wasn't the same card? I agree, it's pretty obvious.
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I have always found morals depend greatly on if you are the seller or the buyer. If you are the buyer it is unacceptable but if you are the seller it is OK.
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Well, it's back on the market just a few months after being sold by Goldin. I wonder if the winning bidder of that auction had buyers remorse so soon after getting it in hand (or somebody alerted him of the restoration job), and decided he'd be better off without it. |
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I knew I was setting myself up for that! Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
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