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Old 10-06-2020, 07:09 PM
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Several requests from Net54 collectors have prompted me to provide for a more convenient access
to the T206 front/back checklists developed in the T206 REFERENCE thread. A quick click gets you
the up-to-date checklist of the desired T-brand.


AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 & 460

BROAD LEAF 350 & 460

CAROLINA BRIGHTS

1910 COUPON

CYCLE 350 & 460

DRUM

EL PRINCIPE de GALES

Brown HINDU

Red HINDU

LENOX (Black & Brown)

OLD MILL

PIEDMONT (Factory #25 & #42)

POLAR BEAR

SOVEREIGN

SWEET CAPORAL

TOLSTOI

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This is awesome Ted, sincere thanks!

There is a confirmed Tinker bat off brown Lenox? Has anyone ever seen it? I thought this was a possible but unconfirmed combo.

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Old 10-06-2020, 08:36 PM
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This is awesome Ted, sincere thanks!

There is a confirmed Tinker bat off brown Lenox? Has anyone ever seen it? I thought this was a possible but unconfirmed combo.

Hi Ryan

The Tinker is definitely possible....I haven't seen it....however, PSA lists it in their POP Report data. Here's the excerpt from their listing.....

" Tinker, Joe

Bat Off Shoulder...... Lenox Brown "


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Will you eventually be including blank backs too?
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Hi Ryan

The Tinker is definitely possible....I haven't seen it....however, PSA lists it in their POP Report data. Here's the excerpt from their listing.....

" Tinker, Joe

Bat Off Shoulder...... Lenox Brown "


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Yea, but psa also slabs things as brown old mills that cannot be possible and they screw up labels and data inputs all the time. I, personally, would not call a combo confirmed based solely on PSA’s pop report. If you have never seen it and/or it cannot be verified by someone you know and trust (and to me the psa pop report does not fit this bill), then I don’t think it should be listed as confirmed
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Yea, but psa also slabs things as brown old mills that cannot be possible and they screw up labels and data inputs all the time. I, personally, would not call a combo confirmed based solely on PSA’s pop report. If you have never seen it and/or it cannot be verified by someone you know and trust (and to me the psa pop report does not fit this bill), then I don’t think it should be listed as confirmed

Ryan

I agree with you: however, they have the Tinker listed with a brown LENOX, so I included it on the list in order to see if some one on this forum will chime in with a scan of it.
Also, I have annotated the Tinker on that list with...."remains to be seen".


Several years ago, I presented a theory here identifying which T206's will be found with brown LENOX backs. At that time, about 13 (or 14) were known. Since then, 12 more
have been discovered. All of which conform with my theory. Illustrated are the 28 subjects in the 350/460 Series which will eventually be discovered with brown LENOX backs.
So far, 19 (or 20) of these guys have been confirmed.

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Old 10-07-2020, 06:55 PM
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Will you eventually be including blank backs too?

Hi Tom

I don't have much info about T206 blank backs. There are others on Net54 that may be knowledgeable on them.
The only blank-backs I know of are these two in my collection.


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Hi Ted, this is a fantastic resource! Thank you for devoting your time to researching T206, and posting it all here...Hope you're well.

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Hi Ted, this is a fantastic resource! Thank you for devoting your time to researching T206, and posting it all here...Hope you're well.
Hi Mike

I really appreciate your kind words.

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Thank you Ted for everything you do. This will help out many of the newer collectors of T206's and give us more advanced collectors a list to compare to our own personal lists. Currently my checklist consists of 5256 different combinations of cards that were pack inserted. That number does not include Scraps, No Prints, Blank Backs, Brown Old Mills, or Blue Old Mills. It also doesn't include cards that would fit the print pattern but haven't been seen or found yet. I'll have to compare your list to mine at some point and see what differences there are.
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COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS
Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28
NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS
Polar Bear 245/250
Sovereign 460 50/52
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:51 PM
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Hi Ron

Thanks for the compliments. I look forward to comparing notes with you.


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So who has the most different T206's ? It appears the possibilities are above the 5k range. I have 30 ( All 30 Detroit for a team set).
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So who has the most different T206's ? It appears the possibilities are above the 5k range. I have 30 ( All 30 Detroit for a team set).
Hi Mike

In recent years, David Hall put together a near-5300 card (98% complete) master set. David is probably one of the very few guys to achieve this.

Bill Heitman (author of "The Monster") may have had a near master T206 set with all the many 1000's of T206 cards, which were in his collection.


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Old 10-10-2020, 10:29 PM
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So who has the most different T206's ? It appears the possibilities are above the 5k range. I have 30 ( All 30 Detroit for a team set).
On the PSA Registry, you can find Brady Hill (a T-Shirt company owner that has a few searchable articles about his collecting/investing goals) He currently shows that he owns 3457 cards out of 3921 different cards. Because PSA only counts different brand backs and not detail of Subject and Factory numbers, their complete card set count is currently at 3921 different cards. I've been trying to get them to update this registry set slot for a few years now or even make a whole new one to have a slot for the 5250+ different combo's. I offered to help for free and also offer any of my research to help better the registry set and properly giving each combo a realistic point value based on true rarity and not just by player and back. They told me it was already in the works and under control. That must have been over 3+ years now and I'm still waiting.

I'm not really sure how many collectors are currently going after all 5250+ different cards. I think it's a small group of us. Over the last 5 years, there have been a large quantity of collectors that have taken the 520 card "Monster" set and decided to add more difficulty to the task. A basic 520 card set, regardless of the advertising back, is actually a fairly simple task if you have the money. Between eBay, Net54, and a few of the Facebook groups, it's just money that stands in the way of building a set very quickly. I believe many felt the same way and decided to add a difficulty twist to building the set. Such as a set with no Piedmont or Sweet Caporal backs. Others have focused on just one particular card back, and some have gone after the Hall of Famer's, while others stick with a certain team set with all the different possible backs. There's so many ways to collect the set. That's one of the reasons why it's so popular. But I really don't know how many are truly going after the 5250+ cards. I can only speak for myself as one of those people.
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Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28
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Old 10-13-2020, 04:06 PM
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Hey guys,

Feel free to post here (or contact me) regarding any new additions (or corrections) to these lists.

I would greatly appreciate it.


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Old 10-13-2020, 07:20 PM
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I'm not really sure how many collectors are currently going after all 5250+ different cards. I think it's a small group of us. Over the last 5 years, there have been a large quantity of collectors that have taken the 520 card "Monster" set and decided to add more difficulty to the task. A basic 520 card set, regardless of the advertising back, is actually a fairly simple task if you have the money. Between eBay, Net54, and a few of the Facebook groups, it's just money that stands in the way of building a set very quickly. I believe many felt the same way and decided to add a difficulty twist to building the set. Such as a set with no Piedmont or Sweet Caporal backs. Others have focused on just one particular card back, and some have gone after the Hall of Famer's, while others stick with a certain team set with all the different possible backs. There's so many ways to collect the set. That's one of the reasons why it's so popular. But I really don't know how many are truly going after the 5250+ cards. I can only speak for myself as one of those people.

Hi Ron

I have a "semi-master" set of T206's (2600+ different cards). But, this is where I stop. Actually, this past weekend, my Grandson, Ron, drove down from Maine
and we filled up his truck with a couple of my T206 sets, GOUDEY's, PLAY BALL's, BOWMAN sets and TOPPS sets. Sooner or later, Ron was going to inherit them.

I have not stopped collecting T206's, just cutting down. A lot of cards in my long-term endeavor to attain a 5300 card master set are selling for ridiculous prices.
And, I absolutely refuse to pay these exorbitant prices that the auction houses are selling them for.

But, I will continue to put together T206 runs of my favorite T206 subjects.


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Old 10-16-2020, 07:19 PM
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Continuing from the last post. Here are some examples of T206's which I acquired some years ago for very reasonable expenditures.
Currently, these cards are going for at least 10 times what I paid for them. I would have to get an Equity loan on our house to afford
these 5 cards, nowadays. I'd say it's going crazy out there ! I'm tempted to sell them



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And, this gem is still the only one known......it is unique.



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Beautiful cards Ted.

In regards to the Piedmont 150 green Cobb, they’re almost always found centered top to bottom such as this yet they display what I believe is the nicest color and registration of all the backs.

That one really pops!!
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Beautiful cards Ted.

In regards to the Piedmont 150 green Cobb, they’re almost always found centered top to bottom such as this yet they display what I believe is the nicest color and registration of all the backs.

That one really pops!!
Hi Tony

You're correct, a very high percentage of the green Cobb's are off-center (to the top). This is especially true for the PIEDMONT 150 cards of this Cobb.
But, the other T-brand backs this is not so, like my SOVEREIGN & SWEET CAP Factory #30 cards. These cards of the green Cobb are usually centered.

However, the population of the green Cobb's is twice as much (or more) with PIEDMONT 150 backs than any of the other T-brand backs.


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Quite a number of you have contacted me with questions, inputs, etc. regarding
this T206 REFERENCE (checklists) thread.
The majority of these contacts were via the Net54 Profile feature (Contact Info).

I prefer that you email me directly..... tedzan11@comcast.net

Thank you......and, I appreciate all your responses and I welcome more of them.


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I received an email from a new member regarding the Series structure of the T206 set. Currently, his collection consists of approx. 140 cards
in 15-page plastic sheets in a binder. I suggested to him to arrange his cards with respect to each series in order to get a true appreciation of
how these cards were printed and issued. This is how I have arranged all 4 of my T206 sets.





PIEDMONT was American Tobacco Company's Flagship brand. The American Lithographic Co. (ALC) printed approx. 53% of all T206 cards
with the PIEDMONT brand. As most of us know, a complete T206 set includes 524 cards, of which PIEDMONT has the greater number of
subjects (522) than any other brand. The 150-only Series was issued circa Spring/Summer 1909. The last series of T206 cards were issued
in Spring 1911. The T206 Series structure is as follows......

Series breakdown....... 520 different subjects and two variations and two error cards

150-only Series............ 12 subjects

150/350 Series.......... 143 (150 Series) subjects

350-only Series...........122 Major League subjects

350-only Series.............86 Minor League subjects

350/460 Series............ 63 subjects

460-only Series............ 46 subjects

Southern Leaguers...... 48 subjects
plus,
Demmitt St Louis American variation (POLAR BEAR)
O'Hara St Louis Nat'L variation (POLAR BEAR)
Sherry Magie error (Piedmont 150)
Joe Doyle NY Nat'L (Piedmont 350)



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