Who will be selected to the MLB HOF next Tuesday

[packs]

No way Curt gets in.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

No way Curt gets in.

Ever? There is no way that the BBWAA is going 3 years in a row without electing anyone. He is the best clean player on the ballot until Beltre in 2024.

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by rats60

Ever? There is no way that the BBWAA is going 3 years in a row without electing anyone. He is the best clean player on the ballot until Beltre in 2024.

Wow, that's amazing to think about...after the recent 5+ year logjam on the ballot. I mean, for a good number of years, there were 15 guys on the ballot who had strong cases to be in the hall, and voters could vote for a max of 10.

But yes, we have Jeter this year, Ortiz next....it's really thinning out.

I credit the rule that votes become pubic and the cleanup of the voting base with finally clearing up the logjam.

[Nunzio11]

MLB just lifted the lifetime ban on deceased players. This could greatly affect the HOF. Haven’t read terms but can’t imagine it in effect this year since voting is almost final but imagine a 2020 induction ceremony with Derek Jeter and Shoeless Joe Jackson??!! For a sport in need of positive headlines that could be huge.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Nunzio11

MLB just lifted the lifetime ban on deceased players. This could greatly affect the HOF. Haven’t read terms but can’t imagine it in effect this year since voting is almost final but imagine a 2020 induction ceremony with Derek Jeter and Shoeless Joe Jackson??!! For a sport in need of positive headlines that could be huge.

That was a very interesting press release by MLB today. Without saying they changed their minds, they just said that players are removed from the MLB ineligible list when the die and that MLB is "agnostic about a player's eligibility for the Hall of Fame, whether they're dead or alive."

It's been the HOF's rule (at least officially since 1991), not MLB's, that does not allow players on the ineligible list to be listed on the ballot for the HOF. The HOF could have chosen to include Jackson, Rose and others on their ballot if they so wished, but now if they keep in alignment with MLB, then at least Jackson could have a possibility to be elected by the Early Baseball committee which will meet this December. Joe Jax in the Baseball HOF - say it could be so.

Personally, I would not vote for either if they appeared on a ballot (and I was a big Pete fan growing up).

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I want Pete in the second he dies. Just so he can be looking up at the ceremony cursing the fact that he couldn't be there.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I want Pete in the second he dies. Just so he can be looking up at the ceremony cursing the fact that he couldn't be there.

I agree. If Rose were elected while alive, his speech would trash Bart Giamatti and Faye Vincent, he just can't help himself, Manfred or whoever would never allow that.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Nunzio11

MLB just lifted the lifetime ban on deceased players. This could greatly affect the HOF. Haven’t read terms but can’t imagine it in effect this year since voting is almost final but imagine a 2020 induction ceremony with Derek Jeter and Shoeless Joe Jackson??!! For a sport in need of positive headlines that could be huge.

Not sure that putting a player accused of taking bribes to throw games would be viewed as positive.

[Mike D.]

Agree on Rose after he dies. He could be in based on his playing days with a note on his plague about his ban. I just don’t want to see that <insert your favorite 4 letter word here> at the podium in Cooperstown on a nice July day.

Maybe they need a “year of the cheaters” to get it all done at once - Jackson, Rose, other Black Sox, Bonds, Clemens, etc.

Some fans will see this as a long awaited correction, others a travesty (but one that is at least over with all at once).

These guys being IN the HOF would actually get them less attention after induction than being on the outside looking in.

I mean, look at Bert Blylevin.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

Maybe they need a “year of the cheaters” to get it all done at once - Jackson, Rose, other Black Sox, Bonds, Clemens, etc.

That should say "the cheaters who got caught".

Whitey Ford has readily admitted to being Harris from Major League in his later years (doctoring the ball). Mike Schmidt was the incredible hulk from PEDs. And it's hard to imagine what else used to go on. Most of it was just accepted back then, as long as you didn't throw games to spite a backstabbing owner or get caught betting on games that you managed

If the Hall didn't have any cheaters, there'd be a lot of space open there

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That should say "the cheaters who got caught".

Whitey Ford has readily admitted to being Harris from Major League in his later years (doctoring the ball). Mike Schmidt was the incredible hulk from PEDs. And it's hard to imagine what else used to go on. Most of it was just accepted back then, as long as you didn't throw games to spite a backstabbing owner or get caught betting on games that you managed

If the Hall didn't have any cheaters, there'd be a lot of space open there

Where did you see that Schmidt used PEDs to bulk up? I've never seen that and I doubt it happened. What he did say was that he took Greenies (amphetamines) later in his career. The only problem with that was that it was common practice in baseball in the 50's - 80's, in fact, the trainer's used to doll them out like candy. Check out Ball Four on that one.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That should say "the cheaters who got caught".

Whitey Ford has readily admitted to being Harris from Major League in his later years (doctoring the ball). Mike Schmidt was the incredible hulk from PEDs. And it's hard to imagine what else used to go on. Most of it was just accepted back then, as long as you didn't throw games to spite a backstabbing owner or get caught betting on games that you managed

If the Hall didn't have any cheaters, there'd be a lot of space open there

Without cheaters in there it would be more like the closet of fame. Soon you will have all the Ford and Schmidt fans saying they are innocent. At least you didn't call out Nolan Ryan and Tony Gwynn.

[Nunzio11]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Not sure that putting a player accused of taking bribes to throw games would be viewed as positive.

You’re right. I was originally thinking about Jackson with a collectors popularity bias. It would definitely raise debate both positive and negative and given whats currently going on it would probably be quite negative.

[Snapolit1]

Most recent numbers I saw earlier today look very good for Walker.

[nat]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Most recent numbers I saw earlier today look very good for Walker.

The deal with Walker is that he usually gets more support from the writers who release their ballots than those who keep them private. Based on the degree to which his support has dropped (between public and private ballots) in the past, Walker should be right on the line. Nate Rakich, over at 538, has developed an algorithm to model this and he predicts that Walker gets 73% of the vote. Which is obviously close enough to fall within any reasonable margin of error. One way or the other, it's going to be close.

But also, if he doesn't get in, it would be unprecedented for a player who gets this much support from the BBWAA to not get elected by the VC (or the Era Committees, as they're calling it now). So Walker might get in this year, but will almost certainly get in eventually.