Would you buy from PWCC?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'd go one step further. If you have a submission that's more than 10% altered you should be banned from submitting.

How fair would that be for me on a group sub?? I have no idea what guys are submitting.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1419183
The buyer of this card from PWCC got a free facelift for his Leaf Jackie Robinson. "Easily among the best PRESERVED copies we've seen in our history."
Good to see so many in this thread have no problem buying from scammers under investigation by the FBI and regularly tout their ability to let you cheat taxes.

Are they really still under investigation? Seems like once they got a lawyer it almost instantly went POOF other than a few refunds.

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

How fair would that be for me on a group sub?? I have no idea what guys are submitting.

I agree that you shouldn't be held responsible. If anybody that sends you cards gets a bunch returned altered would you out them?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Are they really still under investigation? Seems like once they got a lawyer it almost instantly went POOF other than a few refunds.



I agree that you shouldn't be held responsible. If anybody that sends you cards gets a bunch returned altered would you out them?

So far no one has done that. I think everyone is above board. I'd have to think long and hard about that. It feels like I would be violating some kind of client priviledge type of deal.

[Rich Klein]

I think it depends on the item (s). Now I don't bid on any of their items but let's say they came up with a major lot of Gene Larkin *Good Columbia boy, got WS game-winning hit in 1991* cards in "raw condition* I would not see why not.

Why not? Well I will get what I saw on line, what I paid for and I would wager the items will be properly sent out. At this point I can't guarantee the USPS either. But that would not be a lot that anyone would want to play with so I would feel very safe on a lot such as that.

Rich

[perezfan]

Even when buying a card as basic and safe as that, you are putting money in the pockets of criminals.

Why would we want to enable, support and perpetuate their fraud and corruption? PWCC needs to go the way of Mastro (even more than Mastro itself). Anyone who spends just 10 minutes on Blowout can see the indisputable evidence. One of dozens of similar threads, linked below...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1419183

We should not be funding criminal enterprises, no matter the card.

[perezfan]

Their "forced" refunds are one drop in a swimming pool of corruption.

If Mastro refunded the difference between the shilled price and the actual bid price of the card (on roughly 1% of their fraudulent transactions- only when they were caught) do you think they would get a free pass and avoid jail time?

I can't understand why people are so quick to give PWCC a pass, unless they are naive to the situation and facts.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I can't understand why people are so quick to give PWCC a pass, unless they are naive to the situation and facts.

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Even when buying a card as basic and safe as that, you are putting money in the pockets of criminals.

And in addition to the accusations on BO and elsewhere (with corresponding photographic evidence), I'm still disgusted at the video interview about a year and a half ago when Brent lobbied to make "conservation" an accepted practice in the hobby - essentially trying to change the hobby's long-standing beliefs on altering cards in order to validate his shady practices.
I do my best to support companies and people who do good for the community, use local credit unions versus the big banks, go to local small businesses versus the big box stores, etc. PWCC may have made people money, but it has not been good for the hobby.
I won't even click on a PWCC item because I don't want to increase the number of views.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

How fair would that be for me on a group sub?? I have no idea what guys are submitting.

I think you would be safe from reaching the X% altered amount in a group sub. Otherwise we have a bunch of schmucks sending you altered cards to have graded no?

[samosa4u]

Whoever worked on his cheek (Gary Moser?) did an effing horrible job! Jackie looks like he has smallpox!