If Dale Murphy played for the Yankees............

[Tomi]

Do you think he makes the HOF or would have made the HOF years ago? Let's say the exact numbers he has but all with the Yankees. Just wondering how people feel about player careers like his with smaller vs. bigger market teams.

[Jim65]

He probably gets a small boost but he still wouldn't be a HOFer. Murphy's highest vote total was 23%, playing in NY wouldn't get him to 75%

[D. Bergin]

I think his cards would be more collectible and sought after if he was a Yankee, but I don't think it would have affected his HOF status at all, outside of a few more percentage points in the voting one way or another.

You look at his baseball reference page, and it looks like he had a long career, but his breakout year puts him at a bit of a late bloomer, and his last real solid year was in his early 30's.

A lot of his career was spent either waiting for him to realize his potential, or waiting for him to get back to the guy he used to be.

He may still get in, especially if Tony LaRussa takes up his cause one of these years.

[SAllen2556]

Is there really a Yankee bias when it comes to the Hall of Fame? As much as I love to hate the Yankees, in my lifetime I've seen several borderline hall of fame Yankees who seem like they would have gotten in if there truly was a bias.

Thurman Munson, Don Mattingly, Graig Nettles, Rod Guidry, Willie Randolph were all really good players on championship teams yet none of them are in. Munson especially surprises me.

When I was a kid Dale Murphy was like Steve Garvey, who was like Graig Nettles, who was like Dave Parker. It seemed like they were all going to be HOF'ers eventually, but instead they put in Burt Blyleven - who never seemed like a hall-of-famer.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Is there really a Yankee bias when it comes to the Hall of Fame? As much as I love to hate the Yankees, in my lifetime I've seen several borderline hall of fame Yankees who seem like they would have gotten in if there truly was a bias.

Thurman Munson, Don Mattingly, Graig Nettles, Rod Guidry, Willie Randolph were all really good players on championship teams yet none of them are in. Munson especially surprises me.

When I was a kid Dale Murphy was like Steve Garvey, who was like Graig Nettles, who was like Dave Parker. It seemed like they were all going to be HOF'ers eventually, but instead they put in Burt Blyleven - who never seemed like a hall-of-famer.

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

Well Said and Great List

Would love to see Cone in also

Murphy would not get in even in a Yankee Uniform

[Seven]

It's been said in some past posts, but I think the Yankees Bias amongst the sportswriters nowadays has gone by the wayside. Murphy was a very good player, that belongs in the Hall of Very Good.

Do I think he's more deserving of some of the veterans that have gotten in through the old veterans committee, or some recent selections like Tim Raines? Yes I do. But If I'm being honest, the Hall of Fames standards aren't what they used to be, and there's too many players in, that shouldn't be. At least it's not like the NBA or NFL where literally everyone gets in.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team.

Great point. Murphy does not surpass anyone on your list and further. He does not match the historic contribution to the game of either Munson or Mattingly. There would be no additional chance than what his has now.

In my honest opinion, his chances would be worse due to those comparisons. It helps the memory of him to have played all those years on the Braves as he has stronger comparison in retrospect to other Braves not in the hall. Who is out that has equilateral skill level on the Braves? Sheffield or Andruw Jones?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

I don't see any real distance between Jim Kaat and Tommy John.

[mortimer brewster]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

When I was a kid Dale Murphy was like Steve Garvey, who was like Graig Nettles, who was like Dave Parker. It seemed like they were all going to be HOF'ers eventually, but instead they put in Burt Blyleven - who never seemed like a hall-of-famer.

Blyleven holds the major League record for winning the most 1-0 games (15) more than anyone in the history of MLB except the Big Train.

He also lost nine 1-0 games.

Jack Morris and Bert Blyleven get little respect from fans in regards to the Hall of Fame. They were both money pitchers in the post season and compiled outstanding regular season records compared to their peers.

I would be very comfortable having to rely on either one to be my starting pitcher in the seventh game of the World Series.

Could you say the same for hofers like Kaat, Niekro, Bunning and Sutton?

[mrreality68]

Here is a photo of Murphy signing his photo at the HOF induction weekend in 2014
Does not age well but as a person very nice took extra time to talk to my son and I

[G1911]

Originally Posted by mortimer brewster

Blyleven holds the major League record for winning the most 1-0 games (15) more than anyone in the history of MLB except the Big Train.

He also lost nine 1-0 games.

I am very surprised to hear that Blyleven is second. I would think this list would be dominated by deadball pitchers who 1) had more win opportunities than pitchers of the 70’s and 80’s and 2) played in a low run environment where a 1-0 game was a more common occurrence. Interesting stat.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by mortimer brewster

Blyleven holds the major League record for winning the most 1-0 games (15) more than anyone in the history of MLB except the Big Train.

He also lost nine 1-0 games.

Jack Morris and Bert Blyleven get little respect from fans in regards to the Hall of Fame. They were both money pitchers in the post season and compiled outstanding regular season records compared to their peers.

I would be very comfortable having to rely on either one to be my starting pitcher in the seventh game of the World Series.

Could you say the same for hofers like Kaat, Niekro, Bunning and Sutton?

As a lifetime Tiger fan I would take Jack Morris for game 7 over Justin Verlander. But is he a hall-of-fame pitcher? I don't know. I'd actually take Mickey Lolich over Jack Morris for a big game, but he's nowhere near considered a hall of famer.

I'm fine with Blyleven in the hall; it's just that watching him over his career he never seemed to be considered in the same league as guys like Carlton, Seaver, and even Jim Palmer. But it was the same with Phil Niekro and Gaylord Perry. They never seemed like hall-of-famers either during their careers. It wasn't until they were done and you looked at their long careers and the stats they accumulated that they were considered elite.

And I'd be fine with Dale Murphy getting in. What's Jim Rice got that Dale Murphy hasn't got?

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

What's Jim Rice got that Dale Murphy hasn't got?

A .298 lifetime batting average. That matters to a lot of voters.