1948 Leaf Satchel Paige - blank back - on eBay....

[Meenman]

This isn't my first rodeo. This is my business. I've been selling on eBay for a long time. Some of these cards that I have sold were in the top 10 of graded cards. I have the record of selling a boy scout item for on eBay for 18000.00. I've sold cards before coins stamps glass pottery artwork gold silver rugs jewelry bicycles, ect. On and off ebay. I am not a specialist on cards but I'm not a fool. I don't have the passion like some of you have. But I can understand it by the prices I'm getting from ungraded cards. I did my homework before I sold one card. Graded or ungraded. I chose ungraded. I think I represent myself well.I understand what you are saying about grading and auction. I made the choice for me and my situation. No regrets. And I still have the blank back Paige.TIt will be graded.The reason that I have an eBay business is for item like these. I cam compete with anyone. And I don't really trust auction houses. I've had many bad experiences with them. I'm not sitting hete in ignorant bliss. Far from it.

[murphy8276]

Originally Posted by Meenman

This isn't my first rodeo. This is my business. I've been selling on eBay for a long time. Some of these cards that I have sold were in the top 10 of graded cards. I have the record of selling a boy scout item for on eBay for 18000.00. I've sold cards before coins stamps glass pottery artwork gold silver rugs jewelry bicycles, ect. On and off ebay. I am not a specialist on cards but I'm not a fool. I don't have the passion like some of you have. But I can understand it by the prices I'm getting from ungraded cards. I did my homework before I sold one card. Graded or ungraded. I chose ungraded. I think I represent myself well.I understand what you are saying about grading and auction. I made the choice for me and my situation. No regrets. And I still have the blank back Paige.TIt will be graded.The reason that I have an eBay business is for item like these. I cam compete with anyone. And I don't really trust auction houses. I've had many bad experiences with them. I'm not sitting hete in ignorant bliss. Far from it.

Even though a few of your statements will be misunderstood by some of the forum members as a possible "story", I personally believe you and my bidding has proven that. I will take back the ignorance is bliss comment and just try to level with you since you do agree your normal market is not in cards.

Simply put, if you think it is a better choice to grade the Paige to maximize value, you have already given yourself advice for the majority of the cards. Especially if you have more of the same to follow. I cannot be more straight forward. GL

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Meenman

This isn't my first rodeo. This is my business. I've been selling on eBay for a long time. Some of these cards that I have sold were in the top 10 of graded cards. I have the record of selling a boy scout item for on eBay for 18000.00. I've sold cards before coins stamps glass pottery artwork gold silver rugs jewelry bicycles, ect. On and off ebay. I am not a specialist on cards but I'm not a fool. I don't have the passion like some of you have. But I can understand it by the prices I'm getting from ungraded cards. I did my homework before I sold one card. Graded or ungraded. I chose ungraded. I think I represent myself well.I understand what you are saying about grading and auction. I made the choice for me and my situation. No regrets. And I still have the blank back Paige.TIt will be graded.The reason that I have an eBay business is for item like these. I cam compete with anyone. And I don't really trust auction houses. I've had many bad experiences with them. I'm not sitting hete in ignorant bliss. Far from it.

I totally agree with what you are doing...and you in no way need to justify your actions here. Descriptions are pretty honest...cards are obviously authentic. Personally as a lifelong collector/passionate old cardboard enthusiast I refuse to play the BS PSA waiting/resubmit game. As you say you're doing pretty well selling raw and it will be interesting to see how the Paige does eventually.

[Scocs]

I just don’t understand why the card went from $30,000 to $100,000 in the middle of the auction. That seems disingenuous...

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Scocs

I just don’t understand why the card went from $30,000 to $100,000 in the middle of the auction. That seems disingenuous...

I am calling BS on the seller. The higher bidders on all his higher $ cards have several bid retractions each. Just enough to stay under and not draw attention. He also has canceled transactions after auctions closed and relisted for a higher price. This is just since the thread started and he found out what he really has. The 52 Bowman Mantle is a grade 3 at best and somehow is selling in the 4-5 range ungraded? 51 Bowman Mays sells for nearly 2K more than the other one he had just sold a few days before the thread in the same condition. I do not think this guy is honest and I think he is or people he knows is shilling for him. Crucify me if you want guys but I think digging through completed listings and feedback has told me enough to stay away

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am calling BS on the seller. The higher bidders on all his higher $ cards have several bid retractions each. Just enough to stay under and not draw attention. He also has canceled transactions after auctions closed and relisted for a higher price. This is just since the thread started and he found out what he really has. The 52 Bowman Mantle is a grade 3 at best and somehow is selling in the 4-5 range ungraded? 51 Bowman Mays sells for nearly 2K more than the other one he had just sold a few days before the thread in the same condition. I do not think this guy is honest and I think he is or people he knows is shilling for him. Crucify me if you want guys but I think digging through completed listings and feedback has told me enough to stay away

Makes sense. I don't care how "old skool" you are. If you want to get the best return on a high $ card, you're gonna get it graded

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am calling BS on the seller. The higher bidders on all his higher $ cards have several bid retractions each. Just enough to stay under and not draw attention. He also has canceled transactions after auctions closed and relisted for a higher price. This is just since the thread started and he found out what he really has. The 52 Bowman Mantle is a grade 3 at best and somehow is selling in the 4-5 range ungraded? 51 Bowman Mays sells for nearly 2K more than the other one he had just sold a few days before the thread in the same condition. I do not think this guy is honest and I think he is or people he knows is shilling for him. Crucify me if you want guys but I think digging through completed listings and feedback has told me enough to stay away

This is my impression as well from the sold listings and his responses, without looking up bid or retraction history. Something seems off.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is my impression as well from the sold listings and his responses, without looking up bid or retraction history. Something seems off.

There were a lot of bid retractions on a few things I saw but I think the story on these is correct. If some of the cards were in the 6+ range, technically, then money could have been left on the table. Like I think I said, I was outbid (my snipe didn't take) on 1 of the cards.

[T205 GB]

The last Mays card that I watched ended about 2K lower. I would say the last card is just a tad rougher but not $2000 less rougher.

I have no doubt about the sellers backstory. Never brought that into question for the record.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Leon

There were a lot of bid retractions on a few things I saw but I think the story on these is correct. If some of the cards were in the 6+ range, technically, then money could have been left on the table. Like I think I said, I was outbid (my snipe didn't take) on 1 of the cards.

You may be right but I haven't changed my opinion. The other comments regarding bid retractions don't surprise me. I will be staying away from this seller. Best of luck to anyone who decides to take a shot.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I totally agree with what you are doing...and you in no way need to justify your actions here. Descriptions are pretty honest...cards are obviously authentic. Personally as a lifelong collector/passionate old cardboard enthusiast I refuse to play the BS PSA waiting/resubmit game. As you say you're doing pretty well selling raw and it will be interesting to see how the Paige does eventually.

Couldn't agree more.

[JeremyW]

If this thread/post would've went live a week ago he'd be doing even better.

[Zact]

Something is definitely up with this persons auctions. I am following the 50 Bowman Berra which has two bent corners- the card was up to over $300 yesterday which does not make sense - it is a 5 at best. Now it’s at $57 - bidder u***g retracted his bid of $350, this bidder has a 50% bid history with the seller. For fun I put an opening bid on a newly listed card, 2 minutes later outbid by this bidder u**g(3402) , and again. The second account has bids on all the cards that I looked at - appears to be strong possibility of a shill account.