Wrong front images on vintage cards.....show us what you have

[tedzan]

I will start this show with the E104 Bris Lord, whose image is actually that of Sherry Magee. The T206 image is correct
for Magee. Conversely, the E104 image does not resemble Bris Lord. Why these images are reversed is anyone's guess.




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[Blunder19]

HI Ted.. a couple i can share...

Downey with Poland on the front...


is this Patorius or Lake? lol SGC flipped a coin and came up with Pastorius... they couldnt do .5 on the pop report for lake

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not vintage but this one really bothers me because he could well end up in the HOF and this is his only rookie card. Only problem, it's not him, it's a guy named Juan Lebron. Beltran's image, conversely, is on Lebron's card.

[TCMA]

Just discovered this one yesterday. 1908 Pictorial News photo of Wid Conroy with the N.Y. Highlanders. Uni changed to represent Washington for his T206 and image is flopped:






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[Rhotchkiss]

Cool thread. I no longer own this apparent Joe Tinker, who looks exactly like the Honus Wagner from the same set; and these guys looked nothing alike. I don’t know if it’s a wrong Tinker, a wrong Wagner, or just a lazy rendition of them both (a suspect the last since the set has numerous example of poor likeness)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Cool thread. I no longer own this apparent Joe Tinker, who looks exactly like the Honus Wagner from the same set; and these guys looked nothing alike. I don’t know if it’s a wrong Tinker, a wrong Wagner, or just a lazy rendition of them both (a suspect the last since the set has numerous example of poor likeness)

Hey Ryan

This is scary....you and I think alike

I was going to post my E91-C Hans Wagner tonite. The images are the same....but, not the name.

Your E91-A Tinker was in the first 33-card press run of these Caramel cards. And, Wagner was in the last 33-card press run.





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[HRBAKER]

[RCMcKenzie]

Yes, Beltran had a really nice career. That's not him. Here's one that barely fits the topic/category...

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Ryan

This is scary....you and I think alike

I was going to post my E91-C Hans Wagner tonite. The images are the same....but, not the name.

Your E91-A Tinker was in the first 33-card press run of these Caramel cards. And, Wagner was in the last 33-card press run.





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I do think it looks more like Tinker than Wagner. Indeed, it looks nothing like Wagner, who could have been the father of the young buck pictured in the E91 Tinker/Wagner card.

[atx840]

Really cool errors Jamie.


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[Bill77]

Can't forget the most common one. The Art Kruger with Otto Krueger on it. Or is it Otto Krueger with Art Kruger's name and team?

[bigfanNY]

They are Irv Young who looks nothing like Cy. I have owned both the E97 and E 98 Cy Youngs and I did not like either one. And today I do not have any Irv Young cards I'm my PC. So just to clarify none of the cards shown are mine. Am I the only one who has a problem wrapping my head around this?? I mean if you are going to spend Cy Young money dont you want Cy Young to be on the card???

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice ones, Jonathan. Jaime's are cool and fit the topic with different players on front. I just posted the Collins on here because it came in the mail today. I have a Mario Lemieux with a blank front that I don't think you guys want to see. Rob

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

They are Irv Young who looks nothing like Cy. I have owned both the E97 and E 98 Cy Youngs and I did not like either one. And today I do not have any Irv Young cards I'm my PC. So just to clarify none of the cards shown are mine. Am I the only one who has a problem wrapping my head around this?? I mean if you are going to spend Cy Young money dont you want Cy Young to be on the card???

Many people don't know this, but Irv Young was often referred to as Cy Young, so they really didn't make an error with his name. By that time when the card was released, the original Cy Young was often called Old Cy Young. Heck, even 1908 pitcher Harley Young was called Cy and he went 0-for-3 in his only season in the majors.

The early years of baseball had no issue reusing nicknames for people with the same last name. Best example is that four players with the last name Freeman had the nickname Buck.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I do think it looks more like Tinker than Wagner. Indeed, it looks nothing like Wagner, who could have been the father of the young buck pictured in the E91 Tinker/Wagner card.

Here is another Tinker card that has the same source image that was used for depicting Mr. Tinker's head (as well as Waddell, just because it is on the same scan), and a link to my long ago post about the E91 sets and why they should not be uniformly labeled 'generic'.

Brian

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243920

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Many people don't know this, but Irv Young was often referred to as Cy Young, so they really didn't make an error with his name. By that time when the card was released, the original Cy Young was often called Old Cy Young. Heck, even 1908 pitcher Harley Young was called Cy and he went 0-for-3 in his only season in the majors.

The early years of baseball had no issue reusing nicknames for people with the same last name. Best example is that four players with the last name Freeman had the nickname Buck.

Well Irv might have picked up the nickname but he never played for Cleveland. And my point was folks pay large sums of money for a Cy Young of Clevland card and that is not what they get. I would guess that if PSA changed the flips to say who was really on the cards they would loose a significant portion of their value. I was at a Willow grove show in the early 90's with
A Briggs Young and I told 2 guys who were looking at it that it wasn't really Cy Young and they didn't buy. Sold it later to a guy working on the set who knew what it was.

[tedzan]

Furthermore,
the E90-1 Cleveland version of Cy Young is actually an image of Irv Young


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[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

They are Irv Young who looks nothing like Cy. I have owned both the E97 and E 98 Cy Youngs and I did not like either one. And today I do not have any Irv Young cards I'm my PC. So just to clarify none of the cards shown are mine. Am I the only one who has a problem wrapping my head around this?? I mean if you are going to spend Cy Young money dont you want Cy Young to be on the card???

Jonathan,

You're not the only one who is bothered by this. I'll never complete those sets because I refuse to pay Cy Young prices for those Irv Young cards and I am always baffled by the prices those cards get.

[tedzan]

I always thought this "angelic" looking image of Eddie Collins on his T206 (350 series) card is inconsistent with
his image on most of his other cards. For example, these two...…

I would appreciate your opinions ?



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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, here's a Horner photo from a 2016 Christie's auction. (not mine) Maybe the photo is early, like 1908, when he was 20. He aged fast I think.

[brianp-beme]

Here are cards (E93 and E98) that have always been attributed as Eddie Collins cards, yet they actually picture Jimmy Collins. They played together on the same Philadelphia A's team in 1907 and 1908, Jimmy at the end of his career, and Eddie at the start. The grading companies still misidentify them as Eddie.

Brian

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, here's a Horner photo from a 2016 Christie's auction. (not mine) Maybe the photo is early, like 1908, when he was 20. He aged fast I think.

Thanks Rob

Eddie was a 19 year old rookie in 1906. Horner most likely snapped that photo back then, when Eddie was still a teenager.


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[z28jd]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Well Irv might have picked up the nickname but he never played for Cleveland. And my point was folks pay large sums of money for a Cy Young of Clevland card and that is not what they get. I would guess that if PSA changed the flips to say who was really on the cards they would loose a significant portion of their value. I was at a Willow grove show in the early 90's with
A Briggs Young and I told 2 guys who were looking at it that it wasn't really Cy Young and they didn't buy. Sold it later to a guy working on the set who knew what it was.

There are Boston versions of that pose that came out first. Team was changed to Cleveland afterwards. That's the error on the card, not the fact that they used Irv Young on a Cy Young card. It was issued as an Irv Young card first and his nickname at the time was Cy, so there was no mistake on the card the first time it was issued. The card below has no error on the front, just like the black and white Briggs version

(not my card)