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Old 02-22-2021, 04:20 PM
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Looks like I need a different hobby.
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Old 02-22-2021, 04:37 PM
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It is such a conundrum. I know I could sell right now and likely quadruple my money on what I have in my collection. Yet even that amount would not be life changing (i.e. pay off mortgage or retire) and so I think I would regret it. I sure would miss them and the room I have them displayed in would be a lonely and depressing place.

This may be easy for me to say as I am not in that situation, but if my collection were worth life changing money I believe I would sell at this time.
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Old 02-22-2021, 04:51 PM
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It's the 1955 superstars that are killing me. A year ago you could pick up Jackie, Hank, Willie or Ted in VG/EX for under $200.
Preach on! I am living that as well. At the moment, I am thinking about the Killebrew rookie, and I'm not looking for better than VG to VGEX.

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Old 02-22-2021, 05:53 PM
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I have my 55's in PSA 6 and bought up all of the HOFers in 2015/16. Aaron was $252, Williams was $304, Jackie was $343, and Willie was $382.

It seems like Williams is the only one that hasn't really moved recently. But Willie always seemed to be more expensive because it was a high number. Aaron was a rung below and it is now hanging pretty will with the other stars.
And if you remember 2015/16 was a peak as well, mainly for HOF rookies but you saw carry over to later issues as well.
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And if you remember 2015/16 was a peak as well, mainly for HOF rookies but you saw carry over to later issues as well.
Scott I'm gathering prices fell after 2016? I wasn't back in the hobby yet.
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Scott I'm gathering prices fell after 2016? I wasn't back in the hobby yet.
Some of the really hot cards if I remember correctly were Rose, Koufax, Clemente rookies, and it had an effect on many others.

I feel like prices softened, especially on Roses, but they never returned to pre-summer 2016 levels... and from maybe 2017 on continually climbed upward, beyond those 2016 peak levels, even pre-2020-21 booms.
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Old 02-22-2021, 06:50 PM
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I would actually maintain you saw an abrupt return to fall 2015 levels in late summer/fall 2016. Things like PSA 8 Clemente rookie going for over 200k and then dropping back down to 40-50k etc.
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I would actually maintain you saw an abrupt return to fall 2015 levels in late summer/fall 2016. Things like PSA 8 Clemente rookie going for over 200k and then dropping back down to 40-50k etc.
what happened then...was a bit different than whats happening now...that's for sure!!!!

I am a bit concerned that the sale of PSA/Goldin to many of the same players has the potential for major damage to the hobby!
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what happened then...was a bit different than whats happening now...that's for sure!!!!

I am a bit concerned that the sale of PSA/Goldin to many of the same players has the potential for major damage to the hobby!
Me too Pete....
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I would actually maintain you saw an abrupt return to fall 2015 levels in late summer/fall 2016. Things like PSA 8 Clemente rookie going for over 200k and then dropping back down to 40-50k etc.
Scott that $200,000 Sale on the Clemente RC was Total BS just like PWCC last week with its $180,000 PSA 10 Henderson Not Real Value In my book neither.

To me that was the start, the Henderson rookie and the 52 Bowman Sgc 7 Mickey that sold for over $40k pwcc....now the push.

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what happened then...was a bit different than whats happening now...that's for sure!!!!

I am a bit concerned that the sale of PSA/Goldin to many of the same players has the potential for major damage to the hobby!
I share your concern. An unregulated market where you can control perception of value and the outlet to realize that value seems worrying.
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I am a bit concerned that the sale of PSA/Goldin to many of the same players has the potential for major damage to the hobby!
Agreed. This is what happens in an unregulated market. At best, it’s a horrible optic. At worst...woah Nellie, look out.
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Scott that $200,000 Sale on the Clemente RC was Total BS just like PWCC last week with its $180,000 PSA 10 Henderson Not Real Value In my book neither.

To me that was the start, the Henderson rookie and the 52 Bowman Sgc 7 Mickey that sold for over $40k pwcc....now the push.
We are not in disagreement about 2016 or now.
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Old 02-23-2021, 05:54 AM
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The average price for a '57 Aaron in a PSA 6 right now on their Auction Prices Realized site is $800.
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Agreed. This is what happens in an unregulated market. At best, it’s a horrible optic. At worst...woah Nellie, look out.
I could not agree more and this should be the thing that most concerns us all. In a regulated market, the same people owning a grading company and an auction house would never be allowed to happen. As perfectly said: at best, terrible optics and the parties should know better— but they know there’s zero regulation so what do they care, they can print money now. And because some of them like cards we’re supposed to shut off our minds and look away.

Looks like one of the celebrity PSA owners who is also a Goldin owner was bidding PSA cards to the moon at Goldin, then brandishing them on social media. At best, not sensitive to the perception of impropriety.
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It also bums me out that this could further the demise of set building. It seems like the direction pretty much every set is headed is flat commons and HOFers off to the races. The days of entry level vintage sets (even low grade) that can be built on a modest budget seem to be behind us.
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It also bums me out that this could further the demise of set building. It seems like the direction pretty much every set is headed is flat commons and HOFers off to the races. The days of entry level vintage sets (even low grade) that can be built on a modest budget seem to be behind us.
I'm (eventually) going to try and build a 52 topps set. At this rate I should be done in about 60 years give or take
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Wife and I own (US Bank too) a condo in Palm Springs to retire to and rent it out over the winter months to help pay mortgage and HOA's.
A mid 20's couple Guy/Gal from Seattle rented it for 2 1/2 months this last Nov-Jan at 4K a month to escape the WA winter blues.
Tech kids, very nice, ran the sheets in the washer and dryer when they left and made note that the second bedroom toilet fluid valve was a slow filler.

Liked them a lot and they want to come back same time next year.
No idea if they like cards, but young professionals who aren't getting married before 30, aren't taking out mortgages, aren't sticking all their dough in cars, don't have kids....well they've got plenty of income to 'enjoy' their lifestyles.

Didn't ask if they liked sportscards, but I think this forum discounts plenty of regular people who love sports, make 45k - 145k, and want to own some cool cards of their sporting icons.

I mean, it's not as if they're blowing it on settees and X (no concerts no raves) so why not?

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