1934 Diamond Match

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Posted By: Richard

OK, I'm fairly new to match cover collecting, so these may be basic questions, but here goes...

In the Sports Collectors Bible, it states that some players appear in all 4 color color covers (blue, green, red, tan), some only appear in green red & tan, and some only in 1 color. Is there an up-to-date list of which players appear on which color covers? The nature of how I collect things requires me to not only collect every player in the set, but also every color variation and any other variation.

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Posted By: Michael Moran

Here's the list I have, but there are others, especially Chicago Bears - I've seen Link Lyman and just traded for a Carl Brumbaugh

Second Football - Type 1
This set, published in 1934, differs from First Football, as four background colors are used: Blue, Green, Red, and Tan. Most players appear in Green, Red and Tan, while a few appear in all four colors, and some in only one color. Manufacturer’s imprint is a single line: The Diamond Match Co., N.Y.C. The players photos are in color. Over 450 covers known to be in this set.
Antilla, Arvo, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Badgro, Morris, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Bartell, Herbert, Red
Battles, Cliff, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan
Bennis, Chuck, U Illinois, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Benyon, Jack, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Bodenger, Morry, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan
Bond, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Brown, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Burnett, Dale, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Caddell, Ernie, Detroit Lions, Red
Cagle, Chris, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green
Campbell, Glenn, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Canella, John, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Carter, Joe, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan
Caywood, Les, Cincinnati Reds, Green
Chapman, George, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Christensen, Frank, Detroit Lions, Green
Clancy, Stuart, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Clark, Myers 'Algy', Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Collins, Paul, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan
Connell, Jack, Manhattan "Jaspers", Green, Tan
Crow, Orien, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan
Dietz, Lone Star, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan
Doehring, John, Chicago Bears, Red, Tan
Downey, Jimmie, Tan
Edwards, Turk, Boston Redskins, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Emerson, Ox, Detroit Lions, Red
Feather, Tiny, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Flaherty, Ray, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Froschauer, Frank, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Galbreath, Chuck, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Gragg, Elbert, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Grange, Red, Chicago Bears, Green, Red, Tan
Grant, Cy, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Grant, Leonard, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Grant, Ross, Cincinnati Reds, Blue
Griffith, Jack, U Georgia, Blue, Green, Red
Gryboski, Ed, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Gutowski, Ace, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan
Hanson, Swede, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan
Hein, Mel, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Heller, Warren, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Hewitt, William, Chicago Bears, Tan
Irvin, Cecil, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Jergensen, Carl, Green, Red
Johnson, Frank, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Johnson, Jack, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan
Jones, Robert, Green Bay Packers, Green
Jones, Tom, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Karcis, John, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green, Red, Tan
Kasal, Joseph Edw., Green, Red
Kelly, John Sims, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green
Kenneally, George, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan
Kiseling, Walter, Green, Red
Knapper, Jack, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan
Knox, Frank, Detroit Lions, Red
Kopcha, Joseph Edw., Chicago Bears, Green, Red
Krosky, Ice, Tan
Laws, Joseph, Green Bay Packers, Tan
Lay, Russell, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan
Lee, Hilary, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Lefebvre, Gil, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Leonard, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan
Lindberg, Les, U Illinois, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Lipski, John Bull, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan
Lubratovich, Milo, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green
Lumpkin, Roy "Father", Detroit Lions, Green, Red
MacMurdo, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan
Matesic, Edward, Philadelphia Eagles, Red
McCullough, Dave, U Georgia, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
McKnight, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
McNally, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Minot, Al, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Mooney, Jim, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Moorehead, Leroy, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Morgan, Bill, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Moser, Bob, Red
Mulleneaux, Lee, Cincinnati Reds, Blue
Munday, George, Cincinnati Reds, Green, Red, Tan
Musso, George, Chicago Bears, Red, Tan
Newman, Harry, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Norgard, Al, Green Bay Packers, Green
Oehler, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Opper, Charlie, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Owen, Bill, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Owen, Steve, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Pearson, Madison, Chicago Bears, Tan
Perkinson, Tom, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Pike, Mace, Green, Red, Tan
Pilconis, Joe, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan
Pope, Lewis, Cincinnati Reds, Blue
Portman, Crain, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan
Presnell, Glenn, Detroit Lions, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Quatse, Jesse, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Randolph, Clare, Detroit Lions, Tan
Reese, Henry, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Riblett, Paul, Brooklyn Dodgers, Blue, Red, Tan
Richards, Richard, Green
Roberts, Jack, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan
Rogers, John "Lee", Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan
Ronzani, Eugene, Chicago Bears, Green, Red
Seick, Earl, Tan
Shi, Allen, U Georgia, Red, Tan
Shimmel, Adolph, Green, Red
Smith, Ben, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Strong, Ken, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan
Taber, Elmer, Red, Tan
Tackwell, C.C. "Cokie", Cincinnati Reds, Blue
Tesser, Ray, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Thomason, Stumpy, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green, Red, Tan
Turbeyville, Charlie, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Urevig, Claude, Red
Vaughan, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan
Wagon, Henry, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
West, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan
Woodruff, Lee, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan
Zyntell, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan

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Posted By: Richard

Michael, thanks a bunch! That helps me out tremendously.

Are there known "rarities" in certain colors that are not rare in others? Do certain colors sell for any premiums?

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Posted By: Richard

Michael, looking through my covers I have an Allen Shi in green, that is not listed on your list.

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Posted By: Michael Moran

60 years ago Tom Torrent and Frank Tripodi listed the known matchbooks in the sets put out by the Diamond Match company in the early 1930s - baseball, football, hockey, night life, broadcasting stars, and movies. These are called the T & T lists and have been passed around and published widely. I have Sports Collectors Digest Standard Catalog of Football Cards, but they don't list different colors and I don't see Link Lyman in their list. So as different colors and differt players are discovered, I don't know where a database for that information would be kept - except in this forum. Some players are hard to find in specific colors - Mel Hein in tan for example - at least for me, that was the one among the NY Giants that took the longest to find. That was the only part of the set I was really looking to complete. So it can run the price at auction up if someone is trying to finish their set and needs a specific cover. The most I've ever seen a 1934 matchcover go for on eBay was a tan Red Grange that sold for $511 in 2001 - and I haven't seen another up for auction since. I didn't buy it, but I saved the scan:

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Posted By: Mike McKee

I know this cover has been listed in guidebooks going all the way to the original sports collectors bible but I have never seen it offered for sale in my 20+ years of collecting.

Does anyone out there have this cover that they would like to share with the group?

Thanks

Mike

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Posted By: John S

It has been on my wantlist for a long time...I have never seen even a photo/scan of the card. According to a few fellow collectors, its existence has been confirmed.

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Posted By: Frank Rose

Has it ever been confirmed that tan versions definitely were not made for some players? I would doubt that, but simply don't know. Also, is it anyone's collecting experience that the tan version is available less frequently than the red and green versions as a whole or individually?

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Posted By: Michael Moran

My friend Bob Borton, who knows more about matchbooks than anyone else I know, sent this email:
One of my fellow collectors shared a listing of 2nd football type
1. I noticed an addendum with additional names as follows. Randolph,
Clare - Tan, Brumbaugh, Carl Tan, Lubatovich, Milo - Tan, Pearson,
Madison - tan and Seick, Earl - tan. I'd never seen it before. This
should explain some of the questions we had.