Top Tier HOF'ers - M. Brown / Waddell / Joss

[bcbgcbrcb]

In a similar fashion to the Bob Feller thread, please share your opinion on these three pitchers. I left out Eddie Plank as I think it is fairly obvious that he would be considered upper echelon.

[packs]

In skill I agree. But not in cards.

[tiger8mush]

I guess I'd have to look at the initial HOF selection in 1936 to help gauge the answer to this question.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_1936.shtml

M. Brown was 31st on the list, getting 2.7% vote.
Waddell was 18th, with 14.6%
Joss isn't even on the list, neither is Plank

Top twenty:
Cobb 98.2%
Wagner 95.1%
Ruth 95.1%
Matty 90.7%
WaJo 83.6%
Lajoie 64.6%
Speaker 58.8%
Young 49.1%
Hornsby 46.5% (Active)
Cochrane 35.4% (Active)
Sisler 34.1%
E. Collins 26.5%
J. Collins 25.7
G.C. Alexander 24.3%
Gehrig 22.6% (Active)
Bresnahan 20.5%
Keeler 17.7%
Waddell 14.6%
Foxx 9.3% (Active)
Walsh 8.8%

I'd vote "not top-tier"

[tiger8mush]

Maybe for "top-tier" you could put together a "team". If you had a 25 man roster, who would make it? Since it is pre-war, perhaps to with 15 positional players and 10 pitchers and maybe that can define your "top-tier team" for pre-war?

Rob

[Brian Van Horn]

As for Joss, if you have a lifetime of 1.89, you are a top tier Hall of Famer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

None of the above. Ed Walsh might rate higher than any of them, btw.

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Pitching - 67 (14), Average HOFer ≈ 40

Gray Ink Pitching - 178 (62), Average HOFer ≈ 185

Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 146 (45), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 52 (31), Average HOFer ≈ 50