1954 Mickey Mantle Bowman Photo Negative for Card

[Mantlefan4ever]

I have a graded 1954 Mantle Bowman Photo Negative for the Bowman Card. I'm having trouble downloading the picture. I just keeps saying download failed. I wanted to ask you all about it. Any help on the picture download? I paid a grand for it in Portland in '93. Huge Mantle fan. I have the photo negative and the four 35mm frames for "The Swing" for Mickey aswell. Just need to show pictures and ask questions lol..

[Mantlefan4ever]

changed format.. Hope this picture shows

[Mantlefan4ever]

this is the back of the negative.

[Lucas00]

You paid $1000 too much.

I could take a close up of a 54 mantle right now and go get the negative and have the same exact photo for a few dollars. You got scammed big time I'm sorry to say.

[Mantlefan4ever]

Not really sure about that.. maybe. I got it in 1993 with the 4 frames of film for the swing. Not sure how you could forge those.. but maybe they can duplicate original old film also.. who knows. I got a original 50's yankee mitt that says Yankees on the inside leather also the same day so who knows.

[Lucas00]

I am sure about it. This isn't something topps did. They did sell off transparencies from their vault. But never did topps take photos of their own cards and make negatives.

The card creation process never has used a negative of the card, it uses original photography.

If you bought everything you've shared so far from the same person I would wager they're all forgeries.

[Mantlefan4ever]

I wasn't thinking it was Topps taking pictures and selling negs. Who would make this and grade it in the early 90's. thats really messed up it its true.

[JollyElm]

If this helps, my girlfriend brought the 'negative' image into Photoshop, hit "invert" and then flipped it horizontally to arrive at this...

1954bowmanmantlenegativeinvert.jpg

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by Mantlefan4ever

I wasn't thinking it was Topps taking pictures and selling negs. Who would make this and grade it in the early 90's. thats really messed up it its true.

Sorry to say but not sure it is it is graded, someone put something in plastic and slapped a Garfield Logo and called it graded. Messed up indeed.

[JollyElm]

Same treatment for the swinging 'negative'...

mantleswingnegativeinvert.jpg

[swarmee]

The reel guidelines don't make any sense being in the middle of the back of the full-bleed picture. Definitely a counterfeit/fantasy piece.

And the "Garfield" is actually a hand demonstrating a split-fingered fastball, I believe. As to the other one, film reels can be copied/reproduced. So that is likely a copy as well.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

Sorry to say but not sure it is it is graded, someone put something in plastic and slapped a Garfield Logo and called it graded. Messed up indeed.

LOL .. Garfield

[gonefishin]

Unfortunately, during the time you bought these it was the wild rest for forgeries - everything from autographs, photos, Elvis Presley's hair and drops of George Washington's sweat.

If anyone has been in this hobby for any length of time, they have been scammed at one time or the other. Welcome to the club with many members!

[4815162342]

You could’ve turned that $3,000 you spent in 1993 on these fake Mantle negatives and the fake Namath plate into ~$80k by investing it in the S&P 500.

[bnorth]

I am also in the someone ripped you off side. Negatives are very easy to copy or just make from a picture. I have made several and inserted them into custom cards I have made for others.

The no name slab is another huge red flag. Cool items just not worth more than a few dollars as novelty pieces.

I wouldn't take it too hard as I can guarantee we have all been screwed on items we wanted to be real or unaltered.