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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Brueso
Interesting how the first 8 bids were all by the same person (who only has 8 feedback, 4 of which were for cards that he/she won for $15 max). Well- it's up to around $600 now- but it is a knock out. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Tim Sedlock
That E90-1 Matty has logged quite a bit of travel time. This is not the first time it has been offered on eBay. It has been offered before by a different seller if memory serves. It has recently been on Teletrade as well. And since it is in a PRO holder...BUYER BEWARE! And if it is legit, they why the low reserve for it??? |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Let me give you a little bit of history on this card. I am a relative of Christy, and I only buy his memorabilia (One HOF Buying Habit is enough! ) I follow the Christy-M auctions as closely as I can, and I communicate with many, many other buddies and fans that I have met on eBay and other venues. This PRO-Graded card has been trimmed and is basically worthelsss. It was originally auctioned off by eBay user "brsz-2" on August 17, 2001 under Item # 1177188057 (I have saved scans from EVERY auction where this card has appeared...look at the scan, then look at the scan of this card, the same smudges and imperfections on the surface of the card are there...it's the same card). In that auction, "brsz-2" actually admitted the card was certified as trimmed by PSA, yet saying "it was still an immacualte card nonetheless". Quite honorably, "brsz-2" was being honest about the card's condition, and there is NOTHING wrong with selling a TRIMMED CARD if you tell people it is a TRIMMED CARD. (In fact, contact brsz-2 and ask him). Sometime after that auction, eBay user "places" came into ownership of it and had it encased by PRO. Interestingly, "places" has been selling many trimmed, worthless cards on eBay in PRO holders. (Go look at her feedback, she has been defrauding people left and right, you'll see that in her negative feedback items she has been getting). I am not slandering anyone by saying this on the Net -- it is in her feedback, and many people have been talking about her activity on eBay selling trimmed cards by having them encased in PRO-holders. The first PRO encasement of that card was numbered PRO 30450222. When "places" was called on her auction by several of the bidders who retracted, she pulled the auction, then had it encased by PRO (again), under PRO number 30457034 (the new holder number you see here, a later number -- interestingly, that first PRO-holder was so poorly done, that PRO had incorrectly labelled the card as an E-91 Set B). Then she had someone else try to sell it off on eBay, or just sold it to someone else for a few bucks (probably the $8 it cost her to have PRO encase it, or whatever they charge). But the word was out by then and the same thing happened. Now, it has apparently been passed off to someone else to see if they can have any luck unloading it. It has no permanent collector value, and I think it is a shame that eBay allows this kind of activity to continue, but perhaps it is because the number of auctions is so numerous, maybe they just can't control this kind of fraud anymore. Even though, I would expect they would disallow someone from continuing after several complaints of fraud against them filed by eBay buyers. A rule of thumb lately seems to be: don't buy anything in a PRO holder. Some eBay user called "psa-card" or "psa-cards", or something like that, has been doing this same thing for quite some time, too. The trick was to take the trimmed card in a PRO holder and put it up for auction, hoping to get hundreds of dollars (or more) for it. Then, along with that card, offer up a common/very cheap card in a PSA holder to make the auction "look sanguine" by having PSA's name in there somewhere. Clever...and, unfortunately, a lot of people got duped by it. Again, look at the seller's feedback and see for yourself. I use THREE graders only: MINT in FL, PSA in CA and SGC in NJ. They are the only three who seem to be quality, consistent and fair, sometimes tough on grading...nonetheless consistent. I've heard and seen enough about the other ones to stay away. Hopefully, the last winner of this Mathewson card bought it because it was pretty, and not because it was authentic, unaltered or worth something. I wouldn't give ten bucks for it. Anyway, happy hunting to all my eBay buddies out there. It's always been a pleasure trading with all of you. (By the way, I wanted to brag a little -- I have a Christy Mathewson bat that I'm finally having encased in a mahogany box with bullet-proof glass, and I may be putting it up on display in Safeco Field soon as a tribute to Christy...this is so much fun... -dan |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: HalleyGator
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Brueso
...everyone else would view it as being "worthless" and I could scoop it up for $50 or so. It's a beautiful looking card (trimming notwithstanding) and I haven't seen it as much on e-bay as say, the E92 Mathewson (which is also a beautiful card). |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Brian C Daniels
just for the record. Also I have the Matty game used and signed glove you may have seen in auction a few years back. I sold a giant collection of matty stuff in the Executive autions sale of 1994 label " The Matty Collection " if you wish to exchange some information,here is my address: |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Dan, |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: runscott
BTW - I still haven't received that e90-1 Matty, but I will send you a scan as soon as it comes in. Hopefully BCD won't intercept my mail and take his x-acto to it! |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Julie Vognar
Seller (Suesvoicenetetc.) sells, buys on e-bay, very respectably, all the time. Commonly in the $1000 range. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Brueso
...how much trimming lowers the value of a card. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: TBob
I have communicated with the seller of the Matty (and have had dealt with him before) and he is a stand up guy. He was honestly surprised when the issue of the card's measurements came up in our correspondence. The reason is that he bought the card from teletrade and just assumed there was no problem with the card, vis a vis trimming, because he innocently thought teletrade was a reputable compnay which wouldn't be selling altered cards. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: brueso
...you would think that any buyer would suspect by looking at the card that it might have been trimmed at some point and wants it anyway. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Jim Freeman
Like Dan Mathewson, I too follow certain types of auctions on eBay very closely. Dan is correct that this card has traveled quite a bit. I think it is safe to say that most collectors know that PRO grading service does not have the best reputation in the hobby. When it comes to PRO graded cards, it is Buyer Beware. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Jim Freeman
Like Dan Mathewson, I too follow certain types of auctions on eBay very closely. Dan is correct that this card has traveled quite a bit. I think it is safe to say that most collectors know that PRO grading service does not have the best reputation in the hobby. When it comes to PRO graded cards, it is Buyer Beware. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Jim, |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Well... First of all, that card has traveled a lot as Mr. Freeman admitted as well. And, that is what I intended to point out. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: runscott
...and I would recommend you get out of both businesses. I didn't have to open the links your provided, to know where you were going with this - someone named Scotty Lyons did the very same thing the last time Dan sent an email out to a group of vintage card collectors. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: David
I agree that Jim's post was cheesy and bordering on the bizarre. The links made Jim look just a tad biased in his argument (Give the benifit of the doubt to PRO? That's a good one). |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: leon
This is one view my Republican friends might not like. I think there is a place for everyone. Who cares about sexual preference, religion, color, or whatever?...judge a person by how they treat YOU. I am not going to even get into any of the other debates that could surround this except to say that I hope Dan keeps posting, or at least keeps up with the board.....more knowledge is something we can all use....best regards all.... |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Dr.Richard Koos
....the world record holder in the "How much cash have you stuffed down the toilet on altered Pro-Graded Vintage cards?" wallet-demolition derby. I MUST be able to help out here in some way. After all, I have a doctorates in Medicine and in Pro Graded cards. C'mon out there, let's here it!! Am I the King? Or just the 10 of diamonds when it comes to horse's asses that actually BOUGHT Pro-Graded (Pro-graded being synonymous with spurious, trimmed, re-colored, bleached, stretched, repaired, etc.) cards and STILL believes that this is a legitimate grading service with UNrestored Vintage cards within the holder? If anything inside a Pro-Holder isn't altered, it's by accident, a mix-up on a card the company in question meant to send to SGC or PSA but mixed up in the Pro dung-heap for "in-house" slabbing. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: HalleyGator
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Dr.Richard Koos
....what's your point? Are you inferring that you scare far too easily? If so, I suggest a course of chelated calcium and magnesium supplementation. That will help strengthen and build backbone on anyone who feels they scare far too easily. |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: HalleyGator
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: David
The only thing I fear is getting Halley's bill |
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Beautiful E90-1 Mathewson card on e-bay
Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
I don't know David... I'm an adjuster for an insurance company, and I fear Halley representing someone and sueing my pants off! |
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