m101-5 question

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings) 

Do any of you have any m101-5s that have a larger gap between picture and frame? If so what backs?
Compare these auctions by SCGaynor and Kit Young.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2707654904&category=31719

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2708958721&category=31719

Personally, I have never seen an m101-5 with the larger gap EXCEPT for blank backs. I therefore am suspicious of any because the reprints all have that larger gap, and of course are blank backed.
Also, I have never seen an m101-4 with the larger gap, not even the blank backs.
I'm therefore curious to hear from those who collect these issues extensively.
Todd

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Posted By: Julian

Most of my M101-5's, and M101-4's have a fairly "tight" border, however, my Bender has a lot of border.

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Posted By: Julian

Compared to this one;

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Posted By: Julian

Or this one, I know it's not an M101-5, but it's the supposed to be the same measurements for that time.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

Not sure whether we're talking about the same thing. I'm focusing not on the borders of the cards, but on the inner distance between the photo and the "black box" that surrounds it. Both of your cards look "tight", but look at the space in the Kit Young auction vs. your cards and the ones offered by Gaynor.

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Posted By: Julian

How about this one;

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Posted By: Julian

I understand now, comparing the links to the auctions you provided, to the cards I own, they seem to be consistent, or, maybe I need my eyes checked. I hope the scans helped.

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Posted By: Julian

M101-4 example

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Posted By: Ben

Stop!! You're making everyone jealous

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

look at this reprint and notice the space between photo and black box (hope this scan works).
See the space? That's what Kit Young's card looks like to me.



Todd
BTW, I'm sure you noticed that PSA misidentified your Bender as a m101-5.

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Posted By: runscott

is it normal for the bottom border (just above the name) to be "fuzzed out" like that?

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Posted By: fkw

Ive always thought all the wide gap cards were fakes, and all authentic cards will have the thin gap. The way to tell is look at the gap between the photo itself, and the thin pistripe line surrounding the picture. Fakes are at least 2-3 times wider in this area, and easily seen. I'll take a look at the auction I havent yet. Frank

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Posted By: fkw

Ya I agree the card in the auction has the characteristics of a reprint (from what Ive always known). Has anyone ever seen a wide gape authentic card?? I only own a handful from this issue (type cards) and all mine and everyone Ive seen lately have thin gaps. Todd your good, I see the Bender is reallly a M101-4 from 1916, and yet another PSA vintage card identification screw up. Frank

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Posted By: Andy Baran

All of the Authentic M101-5 cards that I own or have owned have smaller gaps. The black border line is also very thin, and not of uniform thickness. However, the color of the stock has varied between white, cream, tan, light brown, etc. There is another dealer on Ebay that is currently selling cards that I believe to be reprints. Buyer Beware!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2709637783&rd=1

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

I believe the card you linked and the 2-3 others offered by that same seller are reprints.

The reason I brought up the topic now is because it was Kit Young who is selling what may be a reprint. Maybe I give him too much credit, but I thought he and his staff were far more knowledgeable than the average e-bay seller and that therefore this one might be legit-- thus my question as to whether anyone owns an authentic "wide gap" m101-5 or m101-4. So far no takers.
Regards..................Todd

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Posted By: Chris

I was the winner of that auction. I took a chance because I have been looking for a '15 Sisler for about 10 years now. The back is VERY white for what should be an 88 year old card.

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Unfortunately, I am quite sure that the card you won is a reprint. The Sisler is a very tough card for some reason. It took me 5 years to find one. I think that Steve Verkman still has one for sale, but it is very pricey. Good Luck.

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Posted By: runscott

He's a very honest dealer, so it shouldn't be a problem.

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Posted By: leon

I have about 30-40 with all the back designs and I will double check tonight...although I do believe the real cards need to have the "tighter" black border on front...best regards

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Posted By: Chris

And so far no response. Do you have his phone number?

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Posted By: leon

I got a chance to look at all of my m101/4 and /5's this weekend, with the different backs etc.... (Really pretty easy as they are stashed away in the igloo very nicely). All of them had very tight borders that are prevelant on good copies. So how did this Sisler turn out?, understanding most folks thought it was not good....regards all

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Posted By: Chris

And no response from the dealer. Looks like a lost cause from that perspective; oh well, at least I didnt pay a fortune for it. Guess I am back in the market for a '15 Sisler -- anybody got one?

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Posted By: Andy Baran

I think Steve Verkman still has one available in VG for $350. Too much if you ask me.