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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Jon
Yup, you guessed it - straight from an estate sale. These three Old Judges look to be in great condition... so, that beckons the question - are they good or fake? |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Bob
I give the seller credit, he may indeed not be aware that they are bogus, but there's that hosanna of the seller of reprints "NO RETURNS." |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Hankron
Irrelevant to whether or not they are authentic, I don't bid in 'No Returns' eBay auctions. Frankly, I don't see why anyone else would either. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
I'm no big expert on Old Judges, but compared to the few I have and the many I've seen on ebay and Lipset's auctions, etc., these really don't look legit to me. If that's the case, I feel bad for the last seller who recently won an Old Judge auction, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4120&item=3220466930&rd=1, from this seller a few days back. That auction had a Clarkson, Bastian and a Greenwood. I actually bid on that auction at the beginning because the scan was a little less clear then the more recent offering and I figured I'd take a risky chance that the Clarkson was real. Of course I was later outbid - thankfully - as the winning bidder paid just under 800.00 for the three card lot. I haven't been in the vintage game as long as some of the other collectors on this forum, But when it came to the Old Judges being offered by this seller, I should have known better, I'm just lucky I didn't get stuck with 800.00 worth of fake crud. It's been said before too many times that you really have to stay on your guard as ebay really is like the wild west for unwary collectors. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: leon
Don't discount "no return" auctions altogether. I think other things need to be looked at too....all of mine are "no return" and so far, knock on wood, I have never had an issue and get pretty good prices for the few things I sell...BIG CLEAR SCANS are usually a guide to success....regards |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Jay Miller
You guys must have better eyes than me--these look OK to me based on the scans. I don't need any of them and that is the only reason that I am not going to bid. What makes you guys think that there is a problem? |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Hankron
But, Leon, you've already stated here more than once that your auctions aren't actual "No Returns," and I bet when potential bidders inquire, you tell that that there are returns if there is a material problem. You also must admit that you collect and sell within an extremely narrow area, and my guess is that most of the people who win your expensive cards know or know of you. It's kind like with with Jay: it doesn't matter what is Lee's in writing return policy, because Jay lives only two doors down and will beat the crap out of his brother if he doesn't get his money back. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Hankron
I point out that a return/guarantee conditon of "Unless the item turns out of be a fake or I made some other big mistake like totally misgraded it, there are no returns whatsoever," is reasonable. I may not bid under those conditons, but the guarantee has some meat. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: julie
absoluterly no returns froms someone who admittedly doesn't know too much about what he's selling either! |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: runscott
His feedback is high, with few complaints, and although he says "No Returns", he also says that they are over 100 years old. I think that if you won the auction and determined that they were reprints, he would take them back. Also, I don't see what looks fake about them. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Hankron
I agree with Jay and Scott in that it would be difficult to forge the patented Old Judge bow (meaning, the lateral curvature to the cardboard and photographic print). |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: Jay Miller
Julie--Take a look at some of your Old Judge. The surface has a shine which gives this type of glare. I think the color is more a function of the scanner than the cards. However, I have seen plenty of different shades on Old Judge--from pink and purple to blackish to the normal sepia. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: julie
Well, you ought to be! |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: James
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: BCD
what they grade if you send them in? |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: RC_McKenzie
Why counterfeit obscure players? Seems like a lot of trouble. |
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Are These Old Judges Good or Reprints??
Posted By: AdamBaxter
After reading the various posts by the more experienced members of the forum, I have come to the conclusion that perhaps I was a bit hasty in my condemnation of these cards (Clarkson, etc.) I'm just a new pup and I'm not as schooled on the in and outs of Old Judge...yet. |
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